Given Name Kisiel in Galicia #general


Meron Lavie
 

Hi All,

I would like to know how common the given name "Kisiel" was in Galicia.

I just discovered that my ggg-gf was named Kisiel SIEGMAN. He lived around
1835-1905 in Buchach, Ukarinae (Buczacz, Galicia). His non-Jewish name was
Sidney.

I found a Kisiel SIEGMAN in the Gesher Galicia DB, in the property owner
registry. I of course cannot prove or disprove that he was "my" Kisiel
SIEGMAN. However, based on how common the name is, I would like to be able
to estimate the chances that it is he.

I would appreciate it if anyone could give me an idea how common Kisiel is
as a given name. I personally had never encountered it before.

TIA,
Meron Lavie


Alexander Sharon
 

Meron,

Kisiel as a first name was actually quite popular.

As always, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland (JRI-P) database is very handy
in assisting in resolution of those unique queries.

Per JRI-P for data already published, name Kisiel (exact spelling) is listed
933 times.

The most popular provinces bearing name Kisiel are Lwow (292 named Kisiel)
and Tarnopol (141) in Eastern Galicia.

In the historical Russian Poland two Kisiel named leading guberniyas were
Siedlce (168 Kisiels) and Lublin (141 Kisiels).

Name is an Yiddish variations of Hebrew Yekutiel (Yekuthiel) one of the
Moses names which means "God will feed".

BTW, "Kisiel", literally means in Polish a jelly, well deserved desert for
those who managed to eat borscht and kasha without extra complains.

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

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Meron Lavie wrote:

I would like to know how common the given name "Kisiel" was in Galicia.

I just discovered that my ggg-gf was named Kisiel SIEGMAN. He lived around
1835-1905 in Buchach, Ukarinae (Buczacz, Galicia). His non-Jewish name was
Sidney.

I found a Kisiel SIEGMAN in the Gesher Galicia DB, in the property owner
registry. I of course cannot prove or disprove that he was "my" Kisiel
SIEGMAN. However, based on how common the name is, I would like to be able
to estimate the chances that it is he.

I would appreciate it if anyone could give me an idea how common Kisiel is
as a given name. I personally had never encountered it before.


Saba Isio <sabaisio@...>
 

Shalom,

I tend to disagree with the most learned scholar, JGFF editor, Alexander
Sharon concerning the given name Kisiel. stemming >from the Hebrew name
Yekutiel.

Instead I tend to believe this name is the Yiddish version of the
Hebrew name Katriel which is composed of two Hebrew words Keter
(crown) and El (g-d, Hashem).

I also tend to believe that Sholem Aleichem used/incorporated this name
when he named a fictitious Shteitel of his, "kasrilevske."

All the best,
Ita and Aizic Sechter
Israel

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From: "Alexander Sharon" <a.sharon@shaw.ca>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:42:03 -0700
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Name is an Yiddish variations of Hebrew Yekutiel (Yekuthiel) one of the
Moses names which means "God will feed".

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Given Names Database for Galicia, based on
legal documents compiled by rabbis for use in divorce proceedings, shows
only Yekutiel, and not Katriel, as a correlate for "Kisiel". See
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/


Percy Mett
 

Alexander Sharon is 100% correct.
The name which is rendered Yekutiel was pronounced throughout Poland and
Galicia "Yekisiel" (this is a matter of fact, not opinion) an indeed is still
pronounced that way by those with roots in Poland and Galicia.

In common with other Hebrew names beginning with Ye- (e.g. Yechezkel,
Yerachmiel), the initial Ye- was frequently dropped, leaving Kisiel.

The name Kasriel is a different name.

Perets Mett
London


David Goldman
 

Regarding the discussion on the name Kisiel, I totally agree with Alexander
Sharon that the name represents the name Yekutiel, because in Hungary,
Poland and Ukraine the long U became an I. Thus we find that Yehuda became
Yihida/Yida. The name Kasriel is Katriel, is an entirely different name.

David Goldman
NYC