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Where is "Reslawa", Russia? #general
Mary Ellen <memsp@...>
Dear Jewish Gen,
My husband's grandfather came to NY in 1907. On the manifest he listed his last address as Reslawa, Russia. When I "googled" this all I got was Radzilow. Are these one and the same? Any help you can provide would be much appreciated. Mary Ellen Pollack
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Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
memsp@columbus.rr.com wrote on 08 Feb 2018 in soc.genealogy.jewish:
My husband's grandfather came to NY in 1907. On the manifest he listedMethinks that is most probable. The JewishGen Communities Database shows: Radzilow, Poland Before c1900: Russian Empire Alternate names: Radzilow [Pol], Rodzilova [Yid], Radziluv [Rus], Radzhilov, Radzilove, Radzilovo Region: Lomza Jewish Population: 891 (in 1897), 671 (in 1921) <https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-525026> However using the Jewishgen Gazetteer, <https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp> Search method: Sounds Like — Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex: many more small places, be it without known Jewish settlement, pop up in Russia, Poland, Baltics, etc: Number of matches = 90 Evertjan Hannivoort. The Netherlands. exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet (Please change the x'es to dots)
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Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@...>
Mary Ellen,
If you haven't already done so, please use the Town Finder or Jewish Gazetteer tools. I had a similar situation regarding my grandmother's birthplace and found some candidates for the town. After some trial and error, I found the right location, so this may confirm the Google result or be more accurate than a general search engine. Sheldon Dan sheldan1955@bellsouth.net
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Alexander Sharon
Mary Ellen Pollack wrote:
My husband's grandfather came to NY in 1907. On the manifest he listedMary Ellen, Town name is Pereyaslav (>from 1943 known as Pereyaslav-Khmelnytskyy), large Jewish town in Ukraine, some 50 miles ESE distance >from Kiev. Best, Alexander Sharon JGFF editor
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Emily Garber
**Emily Garber wrote:
"Perhaps, after the JewishGen Discussion Group has posted several alternative notions regarding the location of a place identified as "Reslawa" in an emigrant's passenger manifest, it is time to talk methodology. "It is never good to rely on only one record to "prove" something about one's ancestors. Consider each piece of evidence as a clue. Search high and wide for other records." **Alexander Sharon responded: "It is always a good idea to talk about a methodology. But before one has committed efforts to search through other documents, have anyone review manifest record for the elusive town Reslawa." If I understand Alex Sharon's comment correctly, we are in agreement. My comment on methods for locating one's ancestral community did not include a comprehensive list everything a researcher should consider. I am glad Alex reminded us that we must squeeze as much information out the manifest as we can. Handwriting on manifests can be a challenge. It is possible that the town name "Reslawa" had been misconstrued by the clerk who wrote it on the passenger manifest page, by the person who indexed the entry for whichever company placed the index online, or by the researcher, herself. In addition, there may be other information on a manifest that may provide more clues to community location. These could include location of family member left behind, birth place of passenger, country of origin, etc. These should be reviewed in light of historical and political context at the time of emigration. JewishGen, of course, provides ViewMate, a wonderful resource for sharing images of records in question. It would be another good piece of information if those posting town name questions would place an image of the record online for all helpful JewishGen Discussion Group participants to examine. In addition, JewishGen has a nice write-up on "Finding Your Ancestral Town." It should be required reading for those trying to pin down family origins in the Old Country. Go to Get Started > Frequently Asked Questions > 11. Finding Your Ancestral Town. The direct URL is https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/faq.html#Towns Those who know my work also know that I have taken the above process several steps further, suggesting that researchers check additional records for an immigrant's family, friends, neighbors (and especially landsman), that may provide information bearing on the questions at hand. I also suggest researching origins of information found in some of the most useful compiled works, such as the comprehensive gazetteer, "Where Once We Walked." My most recent article on this topic appeared in Avotaynu 32:3 (Fall 2016): "Beyond the Manifest: Applying the Genealogical Proof Standard to Confirm One's Ancestral Origins." Genealogy is a research discipline. All of us, those new to the field and those experienced, should push ourselves beyond only one record as a source of information. If we select one location >from among several possibilities, we need to understand and document the reasons we made that decision. The question of one's family origin is to too important a way-point in one's research to risk getting it wrong. Emily Garber Phoenix, AZ
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