Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general


David Brostoff
 

I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906).

Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).

Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire>

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Werche
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.

Other documents give only Russia.

Any ideas?

Thank you,

David Brostoff


David Brostoff
 

Two corrections:

Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN's dates are ca. 1885-1940.

Also, she immigrated to Philadelphia in 1906, not 1907.

David Brostoff


Vladimir
 

Igor,

David Brostoff spells "Verhov" and he also spells "Werche". But I
think that Werche may be another transliteration/spelling of the same
village.

As for the village "Verhov" in Russia Empire it belonged to Khorov
volost (area), Ostrog uyezd (district), Volin gubernia (region)

Vladimir Kreshchyshyn
Kherson, Ukraine

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:07 PM Igor Myroslav Holyboroda
iholybor@polynet.lviv.ua <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

Dear colleagues!
In his message of Sat, 15 Dec 2018 David Brostoff wrote:
"I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca=
.
1885-1906).
Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).
Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close=
to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire=

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Wer=
che
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.
Other documents give only Russia."

I think "Werche Volimer Gov" should be Cherche village in the Volyn
(represented in the document as "Volimer") gubernia of the Russian
empire.
Regards,
Igor Holyboroda,
Lviv, Ukraine.


Alan Shuchat
 

Volimer Gov. is probably Volyn Gubernia, also known as Volhynia, and is now in
Ukraine. Its capital city was Zhytomyr. A Yiddish speaker might have said
Voliner Gubernia. The JewishGen Gazetteer for cities in Ukraine, using
Beider-Morse phonetic matching and distances >from Zhytomyr, suggests two good
possibilities.

Searching for Werche gives

Verkhi, Werchy, Verkhy populated place
51°27' N 25°06' E
G
Ukraine
176.3 miles WNW of Zhytomyr (Zhitomir) 50°15' N 28°40' E

Searching for Verhov gives

Verkhov populated place
50°23' N 26°19' E
G
Ukraine
104.1 miles W of Zhytomyr (Zhitomir) 50°15' N 28°40' E

From: David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018
I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906).

Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).

Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire>

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Werche
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.

Other documents give only Russia.

Any ideas?
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Roman Ravve
 

Hi David,

There is the town called Verkhivka
<https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1058048> -
but it was located not in Volynia province (as probably has been
written in the document) but in Podolia. Maybe you have any other
location evidences?

Regards,
Roman Ravve

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 12:46 AM David Brostoff davbro@earthlink.net wrote:
I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906).

Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).

Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire>

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Werche
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.

Other documents give only Russia.

Any ideas?


Orit Lavi
 

Dear friends,

David Brostoff asked about the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906), who arrived to Philadelphia in 1906.
"Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav)".

The place of origin is most likely the village Werchy (Polish), in Vohlyn
Gubernia - now called Verkhi (Verkhy), Ukraine.

It is located north about 37 km north east of Kovel, close to Kamien Koszyrski
(now Kamen Kashirskiy, Ukraine).

While Werchy does not appear among the Jewish communities in Poland, Yad Vashem
lists over 50 records related to this place.

Good luck,

Orit Lavi
Tsukey Yam, Israel


Igor Holyboroda
 

Dear colleagues!
In his message of Sat, 15 Dec 2018 David Brostoff wrote:
"I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906).
Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).
Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire>
Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Werche
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.
Other documents give only Russia."

I think "Werche Volimer Gov" should be Cherche village in the Volyn
(represented in the document as "Volimer") gubernia of the Russian
empire.
Regards,
Igor Holyboroda,
Lviv, Ukraine.


Igor Holyboroda
 

Dear colleagues!
In his message of Sat, 15 Dec 2018 David Brostoff wrote:
"I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906).
Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).
Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire>
Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Werche
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.
Other documents give only Russia."

I think "Werche Volimer Gov" should be Cherche village in the Volyn
(represented in the document as "Volimer") gubernia of the Russian
empire.

Regards,
Igor Holyboroda,
Lviv, Ukraine.


Alexander Sharon
 

Alan Shuchat wrote:
"Volimer Gov. is probably Volyn Gubernia, also known as Volhynia, and is now in
Ukraine. Its capital city was Zhytomyr. A Yiddish speaker might have said
Voliner Gubernia. The JewishGen Gazetteer for cities in Ukraine, using
Beider-Morse phonetic matching and distances >from Zhytomyr, suggests two good
possibilities.

Searching for Werche gives

Verkhi, Werchy, Verkhy populated place
51 27' N 25 06' E
G
Ukraine
176.3 miles WNW of Zhytomyr (Zhitomir) 50 15' N 28 40' E

Searching for Verhov gives

Verkhov populated place
50 23' N 26 19' E
G
Ukraine
104.1 miles W of Zhytomyr (Zhitomir) 50 15' N 28 40' E"
~~~~
What is now left is to show Jewish presence in those two places.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB


David Brostoff
 

On Dec 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Alan Shuchat ahs613@gmail.com wrote:
Volimer Gov. is probably Volyn Gubernia, also known as Volhynia, and is now
in Ukraine. . . . A Yiddish speaker might have said Voliner Gubernia.
On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:08 AM, Orit Lavi <orit.lavi.10@gmail.com> wrote:
The place of origin is most likely the village Werchy (Polish), in Vohlyn
Gubernia - now called Verkhi (Verkhy), Ukraine.
It is located north about 37 km north east of Kovel, close to Kamien Koszyrski
(now Kamen Kashirskiy, Ukraine).

While Werchy does not appear among the Jewish communities in Poland, Yad Vashem
lists over 50 records related to this place.
Thank you to everyone who sent me suggestions, both online and offline. I am very
grateful for all the help.

I think the two messages above, among others I received along similar lines, are
most likely to be correct.

David Brostoff