My grandmother, Mrs. Frieda FRIEDMANN o"h, wife of Dr. Mendel
FRIEDMANN zt"l, mentioned that she was a descendant of Rabbi Abraham
David WAHRMAN, the Buczaczer Rebbe zt"l. Unfortunately, she's not
around anymore and I cannot figure out the connection.

My grandmother's maiden name was STEIN. Her mother's maiden name
was AUERBACH and her mother's mother's maiden name was HELLER. My
great-grandmother's father's mother's maiden name was RATT and his
mother's mother's maiden name was EPSTEIN. Are any of these surnames
prevalent in the WAHRMAN family?

Malkie Griffel

On 2003.08.01, Malkie Griffel <barmag@...> wrote:

My grandmother, Mrs. Frieda FRIEDMANN o"h, wife of Dr. Mendel
FRIEDMANN zt"l, mentioned that she was a descendant of Rabbi Abraham
David WAHRMAN, the Buczaczer Rebbe zt"l. Unfortunately, she's not
around anymore and I cannot figure out the connection.

My grandmother's maiden name was STEIN. Her mother's maiden name
was AUERBACH and her mother's mother's maiden name was HELLER. My
great-grandmother's father's mother's maiden name was RATT and his
mother's mother's maiden name was EPSTEIN. Are any of these surnames
prevalent in the WAHRMAN family?

Where is your grandmother from? I found in Meorei Galizia the
following: Yakov Yitzchak b. Yosef Yehoshua (son in law of A.D.) who
married Sara bat Yosef Yoske GUTTESMAN s.i.l. of R. Meir of Przeymsyl.
The text is unclear but one of them is a grandson of Meshulam Feivush
HELLER of Zbariz (not Zborow?).

My guess is that it is Yaakov Yitzchak himself, since he was AB"D in
Zbariz, and Wunder writes "He (who?) replaced his grandfather M.F.
HELLER as AB"D in Zbariz".

By the way... My ancestors have a very interesting naming pattern that
clearly shows they were either very devout chassidim or related to
A.D.: Levi Itzchak EIGEN (A.D's rabbi was Levi Itzchak of Berditchev)
had a son Avraham David who had a son Asher Anshil (A.D.'s father's
name)

Philip Rosinsky

On 2003.08.03, Philip Rosinsky" <rosinskyb@...> wrote:

Where is your grandmother from? I found in Meorei Galizia the
following: Yakov Yitzchak b. Yosef Yehoshua (son in law of A.D.) who
married Sara bat Yosef Yoske GUTTESMAN s.i.l. of R. Meir of Przeymsyl.
The text is unclear but one of them is a grandson of Meshulam Feivush
HELLER of Zbariz (not Zborow?).

Thank you Philip Rosinsky for your input. Israel Pickholtz had
brought to my attention the WAHRMAN website at
http://www.pikholz.org/Families/Wahrman.htm which is the pedigree of
R' Yaakov Yitzchok WAHRMAN. My grandmother is indeed a descendant of
R' Meshullem Feivish HELLER, the Yosher Divrei Emes of Zbarazh and
of his grandson, R' Meshullem Feivish HELLER, the Sfas Emes ABD
Brodzhin. But I'm not sure if that Meshullem Feivish is the same as
mentioned on the chart. Would anybody know?

Malkie Griffel

On 2003.08.03, Philip Rosinsky" <rosinskyb@...> wrote:

Where is your grandmother from? I found in Meorei Galizia the
following: Yakov Yitzchak b. Yosef Yehoshua (son in law of A.D.) who
married Sara bat Yosef Yoske GUTTESMAN s.i.l. of R. Meir of Przeymsyl.
The text is unclear but one of them is a grandson of Meshulam Feivush
HELLER of Zbariz (not Zborow?).

My guess is that it is Yaakov Yitzchak himself, since he was AB"D in
Zbariz, and Wunder writes "He (who?) replaced his grandfather M.F.
HELLER as AB"D in Zbariz".

Rabbi Meshulom Fayvush HELLER (many of whose descendants live in
London) of Zborzh (Zbaraz, Ukraine 49 deg 40'N 29 deg 47'E)) had a son
Shimshon who lived in Oziran (Ozeryany). The latter had a son Yosef
Yoske of Olszkevich (either Oleshkovichi or Ulashkovtsy), who was the
son-in-law of Rabbi Meyer of Premishlan.

[Information >from Sheim Usheiris]

It is not clear at what point, and why, the surname changed to
GOTESMAN

Perets Mett
London

On 2003.08.04, Perets Mett <p.mett@...> wrote:

Rabbi Meshulom Fayvush HELLER (many of whose descendants live in
London) of Zborzh [...] had a son Shimshon who lived in Oziran
(Ozeryany). The latter had a son Yosef Yoske of Olszkevich [...]
who was the son-in-law of Rabbi Meyer of Premishlan. [Information

from Sheim Usheiris]

It is not clear at what point, and why, the surname changed to
GOTESMAN

R' A.D. WAHRMAN had a namesake great-grandson, who married Rachel
PACKER (according to Meorei Galicia). Anyone with information about
her? Also, some of R. Yosef Yoske GUTTESMAN's descendents also
adopted the surname FISHMAN. Does anyone know how that came about
and of the existence of a Yehudah FISHMAN, possibly a son or
grandson?

Larry Tauber

Mrs. Griffels' question was, if among the descendents of R' Avraham
David b' Anshel WAHRMAN one can find the names STEIN, HELLER,
AUERBACH, RATT, or EPSTEIN.

Within the six incomplete generations that I have in my database,
only the name HELLER is found in connection with Sara b' Yosef Yoske
HELLER GOTTESMAN, who was married to Yakov Yitzchak b' Yosef
Yehoshua WAHRMAN, grandson of R' Avraham David through his mother
Idel b' Avraham David, as already mentioned by others.

Sara had a sister, Unknown b' Yosef Yoske HELLER GOTTESMAN, married
to R’ Yitzchak b' Chanoch Heinich MAYER.

While we are at that, it should be noted that R' Wunder's suggestion
that R' Avraham David b' Israel WAHRMAN was a great grandson of R'
Avraham David b' Anshel WAHRMAN is probably wrong. R' Avraham David
b' Israel is most pobably the grandson of the latter.

Also it should be noted that Sara was the daughter of R' Yosef Yoske
b' Shimson and not of his grandson R’ Yosef Yoske b' Aharon Arye
Leib, both GOTTESMANs.

Dr. Yehuda Klausner
mailto:klausner@...

Searching:
KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
(BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT), EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all
spellings), WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER (GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN),
IROM (IRAM) TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia
etc.), Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) >from Galicia, GRINBERG (all
spellings).