seeking COP(P)ENHAGEN/KOP(P)ENHAGEN #scandinavia


JOHNSON <iti05248@...>
 

Hello List

Greetings >from KwaZulu/Natal, South Africa. Thank you for your warm welcome.

We have traced my husband's Ashkenazi KOP(P)ENHAGEN family back to
Copenhagen by way of London, Paris, 'Germany' (Germersheim, Homburg,
Meisenheim in the Pfalz) and Bonn. It is not inconceivable that the family
took this name after moving to Denmark/Copenhagen >from Germany in
the 17th/18th C. We assume they moved to Denmark to pursue economic
interests. Some
of the family members were involved in the tobacco trade, while others were
in the jewellery/clock making trade.

Although we knew that the name must have originated in Copenhagen,
only recently have we received information that ties the family to Denmark.
The name
is spelt with a C or a K in the German archives. Sometimes with a double
P, and sometimes with a single P. I would imagine it would be spelt as
COPENHAGEN
in the Danish records.

There is a leonine naming pattern amongst the KOPPENHAGEN males (Lion, Levi,
Leon, Leopold, Lionel). We believe the family belongs to the lion tribe of
Judah (Yehuda), hence the variations of the name Leo.

Aron Simon COPENHAGEN b. Copenhagen abt. 1700/1715 d. 7 Aug 1786
Bonn (buried in Bonn-Schwarzrheindof) m. 1744 to Vogel MEHLER, daughter of
R. Juda MEHLER of Kleve, a sofer/scribe and author of the famous book 'Or
ha-Yashar' is related to my husband's g-g-g-g-grandfather Simson (Shimson)
KOPPENHAGEN.

Simson b. 1747 (unknown) d. 22 June 1823 Homburg (Saarland) m. 1770
(unknown) m. Johanetta nee GERSON (KAHN) b. 1739 (unknown) d. 31 May 1825
Homburg (Saarland).

The Homburg (Saarland) archives confirm Yehuda ben Shimson (Lion) as the son
of Simson and Johanetta. Yehuda ben Shimson (Lion) KOPPENHAGEN b. 1782/5
(unknown) d. Aft 1857 Germersheim m. (abt. 1810) Caroline SCHICHTER
(SCHUCHTERN) b. 1795 (unknown) d. Before 1857 Homburg (Saarland).

We have no evidence of any other children besides Lion, but we think
that Samuel Jacob KOPPENHAGEN b. Bonn 1772, is related.

Samuel Jacob KOPPENHAGEN was the son of
Jacob Levi 'Moshe Ya'kov ben Yehuda' KOPPENHAGEN (Jacob
Levi was the son of Aron Simon COPENHAGEN's sister, and after Aron died,
Jacob took over as sofer/scribe).

Samuel Jacob KOPPENHAGEN m. Isabelle LEVI (LOEWENWARTER). They had 7
children all of them registered in Bonn.

Martha b. 23 Nov 1799
Bina b. 23 March 1801 m 15 April 1828 Hirsch LOEWENWARTER (their children
b.Munster Isabella b. 15 April 1829 and Rosalia b. (unknown )
Basilia b. 21 May 1804
Sara b. 23 Nov 1805
Henrietta b. 2 May 1807
Simon b. 7 Oct 1808
Frederick b. 26 Aug 1811

Lion and Caroline had 9 children.

Mayer Henry b. Abt 1814 Meisenheim (?) d. 1886 Germersheim.
Leopold b.11 Aug 1815 Meissenheim d. 9 Jan 1888 Paris. We assume his older
brother
Abraham b.1819 d. 5 April 1821 Homburg
Robert (Robinson) b. 4 Sept 1821 d. 24 Feb 1904 Paris
Simson b. 5 Jun 1824 d. Abt 1884 Germersheim
Bernhard b. 11 June 1826 Homburg
Johanna b. 1 Jul 1828 Homburg d. France
Amalia b. 3 Aug 1830 Homburg
Joseph b. 28 Jul 1833 d. Aft 1896 London

Joseph m. Caroline LOEWE, is my husband's g-g-grandfather. He moved to
London in 1860 where he
set up a tobacco/cigar importing business called KOPPENHAGEN & LOEWE.

I would be deeply grateful to hear >from anyone who is also seeking this
family or who has information about other COP(P)ENHAGEN/KOP(P)ENHAGEN
records in
Denmark. Information about Jewish interests in the Danish tobacco trade
would also be helpful.

with thanks and best regards


Cheryl Johnson
KwaZulu/Natal
South Africa


martha <martha@...>
 

There was a family named KOPENHAGEN in Courland >from the early 1700
records. I cannot recall the first names. This family already had the
KOPENHAGEN name before they were required to take family names. I
suspect that because of the Duke of Courland's interest in
developping Mercantilism, he brought into the area Jews who were
traders of "colonial goods", this in the 1600's. If you go to the
"All Latvian Database" on Jewishgen, I think you will find
information about these KOPENHAGERs there.

Martha
--
Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, PhD
President, SIG Latvia
Steering Committee, Courland Research Group
Board of Directors, International Association of Jewish Genealogy Socieities
President, Israel Genealogical Society - Negev


Henning Paikin <henning@...>
 

At 07:00 22-01-2004, Cheryl Johnson wrote:
Subject: seeking COP(P)ENHAGEN/KOP(P)ENHAGEN
...snip...
Although we knew that the name must have originated in Copenhagen, only=20
recently have we received information that ties the family to Denmark.
...snip...
Aron Simon COPENHAGEN b. Copenhagen abt. 1700/1715 d. 7 Aug 1786
Bonn (buried in Bonn-Schwarzrheindof) m. 1744 to Vogel MEHLER, daughter of
R. Juda MEHLER of Kleve, a sofer/scribe and author of the famous book 'Or
ha-Yashar' is related to my husband's g-g-g-g-grandfather Simson (Shimson)
KOPPENHAGEN.
...snip...
Actually, it is not known where the name Copenhagen originates.
There was a Moses Copenhagen/Kopengagen born before 1700 in Courland!
Whether or not he had any connections with or ever been to Copenhagen is=20
unknown.

There have been some with the surname KOPENHAGEN in Copenhagen:

1. Gedalia LEVIN
b. ca. 1727 in Poland,
d. 1793 in Copenhagen,
Rabbi in Volhynia until 1778, and 1778-1793 Rabbi in Copenhagen.

|_ his son:
Lazarus was a Rabbi in Kolo, Poland,
|_ his son took the surname KOPENHAGEN
(but it is not known if he lived in Copenhagen!)

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2.

Subject* Chaim Levin Kopenhagen
Father* Juda Loebel Levin Goldschmidt ( ? , d. 17 Jan 1770)
Mother* Miriam Breine Levin Halle ( ? , d. 22 Apr 1737)
Child: __ ___ ____ Olk Goldschmidt
Birth* circa __ ___ 1723
Marriage* __ ___ 1757 Sophie Depert (b. 1721, d. 09 Feb 1789)
Daughter: __ ___ 1759 Birgitte (aka Breine) Goldschmidt (20375)
Death* 05 Dec 1811 Copenhagen
Burial* __ ___ ____ Northern Cemetery, Copenhagen, plot: C-10-27.
(Buried under the name Heiman GOLDSCHMIDT!)
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3. Judith (aka Gitl) GOLDSCHMIDT,
daughter of Meyer Stadthagen and Breine GOLDSCHMIDT
married F=DCRST
presumably born in Altona or Hamburg, Germany
died ca. 1744 in Copenhagen

That is all I have found till now -- and there are no one buried in Denmark=
=20
under the name of KOPENHAGEN or other similar spellings.

I am sorry, that is all I have - and that is not much help!

The only guess is that Aron Simon was a related to (or brother to?) Chaim=20
Levin Kopenhagen!?

Joseph m. Caroline LOEWE, is my husband's g-g-grandfather. He moved to=20
London in 1860 where he set up a tobacco/cigar importing business called=20
KOPPENHAGEN & LOEWE.

I would be deeply grateful to hear >from anyone who is also seeking this=20
family or who has information about other COP(P)ENHAGEN/KOP(P)ENHAGEN=20
records in Denmark. Information about Jewish interests in the Danish=20
tobacco trade would also be helpful.
I'll see what I can find about the tobacco copmany and the LOEWEs.

I would be grateful if you would keep me posted on your findings, as I=20
would like to find the conection between the KOPENHAGENs, as the name has=20
been puzzling me for a long time.

Best regards

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Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
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JOHNSON <iti05248@...>
 

Hello there

I am not sure if I'm speaking to Elsebeth or Henning or if you are one
and the same or related. Please forgive me if I've got this muddled up.

Thank you for the most interesting information about the Copenhagen
KOPPENHAGENs!You can imagine how appreciate I am to receive your kind
email. Research in your part of the world >from the tip of Africa is
not easy!

Can you please give me the translation to English of Copenhagen?
And of Stadhagen?

As most of my research to date has been in Germany, mostly in the SW Pfalz
region, it is hugely exciting to discover more about the family in Denmark
and Courland. Thanks to your Sig I was made aware of the Courland
'connection', there are several KOPPENHAGENs recorded there but as yet I
cannot link them directly to our family, although I am sure they are
related.

In the German archives the name is spelt both as COPPENHAGEN and
KOPPENHAGEN, and sometimes with a single P. >from the mid 1800's the name is
consistently spelt with a K and two P's, and this is sustained by my
husband's g-g-grandfather, Joseph, who emigrated >from the Pfalz via Paris to
London in 1860. Three of his siblings remained in Paris and our French
cousins spell the name KOPPENHAGUE.

As most German Jews were obliged to change their names in the Napoleonic
decree of 1803, it is interesting to note that the KOPPENHAGENs retained
their name, and that the name goes back to (at least) the 17thC.

The GOLDSCHMIDT link you have sent me is particularly intriguing, as we
know that some of the KOPPENHAGENs were jewellers and master clock-makers
in Germany (and later in Paris), and not just ordinary clocks either,
these clocks had figures beautifully worked in silver/gold set into the
top of the clock. One of these clocks survives (with two silver figures
seated at a table). KOPPENHAGEN was written on the clock face, and I
wonder if anyone has come across such a clock in Denmark?

Other KOPPENHAGENs were Meershausen pipe makers and tobacco/cigar importers.

If the KOPPENHAGENs emigrated to Denmark at the invitation of the Danish king
to engage in mercantile activities, then the KOPPENHAGEN professions would
fit his brief. And it seems likely that they moved to Denmark >from Germany,
and that they were Askenazi and not Sephardi.

You wrote
---------
Subject* Chaim Levin Kopenhagen
Father* Juda Loebel Levin Goldschmidt ( ? , d. 17 Jan 1770)
Mother* Miriam Breine Levin Halle ( ? , d. 22 Apr 1737)
Child: __ ___ ____ Olk Goldschmidt
Birth* circa __ ___ 1723
Marriage* __ ___ 1757 Sophie Depert (b. 1721, d. 09 Feb 1789)
Daughter: __ ___ 1759 Birgitte (aka Breine) Goldschmidt (20375)
Death* 05 Dec 1811 Copenhagen
Burial* __ ___ ____ Northern Cemetery, Copenhagen, plot: C-10-27.
(Buried under the name Heiman GOLDSCHMIDT!)
************

3. Judith (aka Gitl) GOLDSCHMIDT,
daughter of Meyer Stadthagen and Breine GOLDSCHMIDT
married FÜRST
presumably born in Altona or Hamburg, Germany
died ca. 1744 in Copenhagen
I assume the GOLDSCHMIDT of whom you speak was related to the following
(Judith's father?).

"Among the Jews in Copenhagen were some well-to-do "German" Jews who served,
among other things, as court jewellers. One of them, Meyer Goldschmidt,
applied for, and was granted in 1684, the right to hold religious services
for the community. Though this was limited to the privacy of his own house
and no form of sermon could be preached, the establishment of the Copenhagen
community is always considered to have begun with this event.

For the next fifty years services took place in Goldschmidt's home (his son
took the name Copenhagen). A piece of land for a cemetery was purchased in
1694 and in the following year the Sephardi Jews were also given permission
to hold services. In general, however, the commercial possibilities for
"Portuguese" Jews were few and far between in the Danish capital and it
was the "German" Jews who became dominant."

Why would the family have gone under two names? This puzzles me.

Whilst looking through your Danish website, I found a Frederich Carl Emil
Lange aus COPENHAGEN aged 11, ugift, schuler, logirend (I don't understand
these words, although I assume schuler means scholar) in a section for
Aabenraa, Sonder Rangstrup, Bedsted, Dorfs Bedstedt (villages?) in a
census. There is also a Caroline Hedwig Wilborg auf Fridericia aged 14,
ugift, bruder tochter der haus mutter, Logirend. Somehow I thought she
may be the boy's sister.

As far as you know where there any Jewish KOPPENHAGENs in this region?

I hope I am not being too greedy for information, but I can't help it,
it's much too exciting to resist!

With thanks and very best regards


Cheryl Johnson
KwaZulu/Natal
South Africa


Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 10:23 22-02-2004, JOHNSON wrote:
I am not sure if I'm speaking to Elsebeth or Henning or if you are one
and the same or related. Please forgive me if I've got this muddled up.
Sorry, sometimes my e-mail program sends messages >from me with my husband,
Henning's name an address. I haven't found out why/how, and sometimes I
don't notice before it is too late.

Can you please give me the translation to English of Copenhagen?
And of Stadhagen?
Copenhagen is the English name for Koebenhavn/København.
(As Elsinore is the English name for Helsingoer/Helsingør)

Stadthagen is a town in Germany a little west of Hannover.
As far as I know there is no translation.
Often people took on (or were given) the town >from which
they came as surnames - as is the case with Meier STADTHAGEN.

... KOPPENHAGEN was written on the clock face, and I
wonder if anyone has come across such a clock in Denmark?
Not to my knowledge, but perhaps someone else with has...?

I assume the GOLDSCHMIDT of whom you speak was related to the following
(Judith's father?).
GOLDSCHMIDT was too common a name to presume that
- and there is no sources that tell us that they are related!

Why would the family have gone under two names? This puzzles me.
That is a looooong story:
You can read more about names and naming traditions on:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Names
&
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/names.htm
&
in many books on the topic!

Whilst looking through your Danish website, I found a Frederich Carl
Emil Lange aus COPENHAGEN
"aus Copenhage" just means that he originally came >from (or was born
in) Copenhagen (= Koebenhavn).
His surname is LANGE.

aged 11, ugift,
ugift = unmarried

schuler,
= pupil (schoolchild)

logirend
= lodger

There is also a Caroline Hedwig Wilborg auf Fridericia aged 14,
ugift, bruder tochter der haus mutter, Logirend. Somehow I thought she
may be the boy's sister.
No they are not related at all!
Her surname is WILBORG and she comes >from the town of Fredericia
and is the daughter of the housewife's brother.

As far as you know where there any Jewish KOPPENHAGENs in this region?
I don't know. I sent you what I have on KOPENHAGENs in Denmark as of now.

I hope I am not being too greedy for information, but I can't help it,
it's much too exciting to resist!
Of course, that is precisely what this list is for.
And if you don't ask, you don't learn or get answers.

Besides, someone asked for a "Danish language course"
--- it has just started <VBG>

Best regards
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Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
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