-ov ending on surnames #sephardic


Elaine Bush <erbush@...>
 

I find this discussion interesting. My FRUMHOFF family was most
likely FRUMOV. However, they were >from Belarus and then Ukraine. I
know of no Bulgarian connection. There appear to be many other -ov
surname endings also >from Belarus.

Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill, CA USA
http://elainebush.tribalpages.com

Researching: FRUMHOFF / OV; SHEININ / SHANIN; BLUSHINSKY; REST

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many years ago, I had neigbours whose surname was Tchakarov and they were
from Bouhara (Bouchara). As I know, the ending "ov" or "of" are purely
Buharian.
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Mika Hovav
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David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Elaine Bush wrote:
I find this discussion interesting. My FRUMHOFF family was most
likely FRUMOV.

Another possibility is that HOFF is the German/Yiddish word for a
courtyard. And FRUM is Yiddish for 'religious'. So FRUMHOFF
could have been the owner of a place where some religious
activities took place.

David Laufer
Sydney


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 12/30/2007 6:53:21 A.M. Central Standard Time,
dlaufer@... writes:

<< . . . HOFF is the German/Yiddish word for a
courtyard. And FRUM is Yiddish for 'religious'. So FRUMHOFF
could have been the owner of a place where some religious
activities took place.

==iI think that's most unlikely. The word for pious is fromm; it does get
slurred to frumm in some Yiddish dialects. It always refers to a person's
personal practice, not to the nature of a ceremony. Hof does mean court, and by
extension courtyard, but in surnames it is almost inevitably part of a location
name meaning farm, estate, or ducal or royal holding. The personal name
Frumm is >from the German personal name Frummet--though many would like to
believe that it is meant as a wish for piety.

== - hof or - hoffer is a quite common suffix in Jewish surnames >from
Germanic countries and is almost inevitably based on a family's geographic
origin. It is also one of those suffixes added to names to make them "more
elegant" (read "less obviously Jewish") such as - baum, -berg, -feld, -stern,
stein, etc.

==There is no connection between the Germanic hof and the central Asian -ov

Michael Bernet, New York
mbernet@...