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JGLois@...
 

I would respectfully like to contribute some (hopefully)
constructive criticism of recent typical postings on this digest.
Before I get specific, I am aware that many of those posting
here are new to genealogy, Jewish genealogy specifically, and
the resources of Jewishgen.

If you are serious about finding your family history, as opposed
to just "throwing" out the names on the net in order to see what
comes your way, you must familiarize yourself with the concepts
of genealogical searching and the specific resources
available on Jewishgen. Both can be accomplished by going
to the Jewishgen website and reading the exceptional FAQ's.
There you will learn about the basic document search and
other common strategies for beginning your research.

Even if you are not inclined to do the requisite research you can at
least do some basic searching on the Internet.

For instance you can select a search engine (my preference
these days is Google.com) and type in a surname or a the name of
a town.


Now, I will address a few specifics:

"The family name or any phonetically similar names was
westernized by some immigration official"

This last point has been addressed hundreds of times in the six and
one-half years I have participated in Jewishgen and it's other resources
(like this forum.) There were NO name changes made by immigration
officials. They had no opportunity to do so. There are a lot of reasons
and explanations for name changes all of which can be found in the
Info. Files or Archives on Jewishgen. [Please don't flame me with stories
to that effect >from your family lore. Although your relatives may have
perceived that situation it was not the correct perception.

"I am looking for other people who are researching the town of
Kremenchug"

Type "Kremenchug" in the Google search engine and you will
get 1,850 hits. Not all are in English and not all sites are operational
but I found much general information, and photography, about the place,
(including many woman >from there who are looking to find a
man in the US ;~)

Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>

Researching:
MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uezd, Kiev Gub. to Philadelphia, PA or anywhere.
FRIEDMAN >from Beltsy/Balti ["Bels" Bessarabia] Moldova to anywhere
KUSHNER [all spelling variations} >from Tomashpol and Yampol in Podolia Gub. to anywhere

Moderator Note: Some editing of message was done to avoid offending any member


SiCanto@...
 

In a message dated 12/6/00 4:27:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
JGLois@aol.com writes:

<< If you are serious about finding your family history, as opposed
to just "throwing" out the names on the net in order to see what
comes your way, you must familiarize yourself with the co >>

How about taking advantage of everything, including throwing out the names on
the net just to see what happens? I did that once and ended up connecting
with a man who grew up next door to my aunt and uncle. We had a nice chat.

With some other cousins, someone saw my post and wrote to say that her
husband and my great-uncle's son-in-law were both reform rabbis and she gave
me the name of their congregation. I eventually found my cousins; and, I
think, gave this person some pleasure in helping to connect us.

Cheryl Kantor
Arizona


Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

bs"d
HaKol LeFi Mazal.
Our Job is to throw out names. After that Hash-m helps....
I have had the weird experience of finding very distant parts of my
families by just putting out a sign on Jewish Gen. One relative of a
part of the family I was researching in Sweden, just "happened" to be
looking at the same time and before long we bumped into each other.
When G-d says it is time for us to find out, so we get inspired and we
find!
My two cents....
Raanan S. Isseroff
Brooklyn, USA


Dms1425@...
 

Although you stated that you hoped to offer some constructive criticism, I
feel strongly that you have effectively stated that those of us who are new
or not well versed in the genealogy "protocol" are not welcome, and our posts
are a waste of valuable time.

I have read the FAQ's on JewishGen and other sites (along with books,
articles, etc.); that is how I found my way here in the first place. All
those sources strongly encourage involvement with other researchers who have
"been there and done that," along with others who may be "fumbling around" at
the same time. I believed this forum to be the best way to interact with
others who were trying to achieve the same goals as I.

I worked on my family history for nearly a year before I subscribed to this
mailing list, and if my questions seem basic, I apologize. As you know, much
of the information we find can be confusing and seemingly contradictory. I
thought this forum was the appropriate place to seek help in finding answers
to my questions.

Thank you for your consideration,
Deborah Mann
dms1425@aol.com


JLowenkron@...
 

Dear Deborah,
Please dont get discouraged or feel very hurt by one persons'
response.........we all have to ask very basic questions in the beginning and
I feel that those of us who are more experienced should be more kindly in
our responses to those who are just starting out......sharing information is
the very crux of a discussion group and hurting feelings the very
antithesis........Jane Lowenkron Foss


JGLois@...
 

Cheryl Kantor wrote:> "How about taking advantage of everything,
including throwing out the names on the net just to see what happens?"


Cheryl, (and others who are new to Jewish genealogy)

Of course you are correct. But, you will notice that I prefaced my
message by saying "If you are serious about finding your family
history." . . . As we both know, this pursuit is more intense than
a casual "fishing" expedition. The postings to which I made comment
are the ones that are tantamount to the request for "my file" . . . . .
which reminds me.

You might get a kick out of "A Jewish Genealogic Fable" posted to
Jewishgen by one of it's great contributors, Dan Leeson, way back
in it's formative years.

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/dlfable.txt

Enjoy!
Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>


Glenda Rubin <glendarubin@...>
 

Although I usually don't get into these kinds of frays, I don't believe
that Lois Sernoff deserves the responses to her posting. After reading her
original posting, I disagree with the notion, as one responder wrote, that
Ms. Sernoff "effectively stated that those of us who are new or not well
versed...are not welcome."

Often there are postings that ask for information that is available by
doing a little investigation, looking, yourself, but are posed to the group
because (I believe) it's quicker and easier to write the question than it
is to look for the answer. I've been a JewishGen subscriber for over four
years, and often the answers posted to these questions indicate that the
respondent didn't have the information at his/her fingertips, but rather
did some (not necessarily complicated) real or virtual footwork. It's
often been pointed out that some subscribers pay phone charges for every
minute they're online, and it's not fair that they should have to pay to
download these kinds of messages.

I would assume that Lois was using the general "you," and if "you" know
that the statements don't apply to "you", "you" don't "have to" take offense.

I don't suggest that everyone has to preface their posts with: "I've
already.....", but, in my opinion, it would be much more helpful,
interesting, and enlightening if, among the other kinds of messages,
postings to the group were one level deeper than requesting information
that is readily available by other means.

Glenda Rubin
San Francisco Bay Area
glendarubin@earthlink.net


P. Gowans <p2g@...>
 

Lois Sernoff wrote:
The postings to which I made comment
are the ones that are tantamount to the request for "my file" . . . . .



Please-- what's a "my file" request? I've seen it mentioned here before. Is
it a good or a bad thing?

Thanks,
Paula Gowans
Sydney