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Marriage Between First Cousins #ukraine


David Jacobs <djacobs@...>
 

On April 30, N. Ried asked about marriage between first cousins


My maternal grandparents were first cousins; their mothers were
sisters. They were married in the US shortly after my grandfather
sent enough money for my grandmother to come. I wondered why they
didn't marry in Russia, but the probable explanation is that my
grandfather had to leave Russia in a hurry to avoid serving in the
Russo-Japanese war.
I asked a rabbi whether first cousin marriage was ok under Jewish law.
She said it is ok. Then recently I read a biography of Zeev Jabotinsky.
It said his parents could not marry in Russia because it was illegal
in Czarist Russia. If cousins in Odessa did marry perhaps the rabbi
had no problems with it, and the civil authorities were not informed.
Interestingly, according to Wikipedia, first cousin marriage is
illegal in some states in the US. My grandparents were married in
Philadelphia and first cousin marriage is illegal in Pennsylvania.
In Indiana where I grew up and my grandparents lived first cousin
marriages are void. Maybe the laws in the early 20th century were
different or probably when they arrived in the US around 1905
they never asked.

David Jacobs
Framingham, Massachusetts
Forman and Rader, Cherkassy and Kremenchug

Subject: marriages between first cousins
From: njried@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:24:01 +0200
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Shalom,

In my tree, I have two examples of first cousins marrying each other,
both in Odessa
First people born respectively in 1856 and 1856, >from a bourgeois,
rather assimilated background, and later two of their children, born
in 1888 and 1892, both marrying two sisters, again their first
cousins.
Thankfully, the third brother, my grandfather, found a bride outside
the family!

Since Odessa was home to a huge community, offering lots of socially
compatible matches, I have been trying to find a reason for these
repeated marriages.
Do you have similar examples? Does anyone know how these marriages
were considered in Orthodox and liberal circles at the time?


I would be very grateful for any example, lead or anecdote.

Thanks a lot in advance,

N. Ried


Adam Cherson
 

Wondering if anyone has done dna comparisons between double-cousin
relatives. For instance, supposing I have a third cousin whose parents
are first cousins? How much more gene sharing is there between me and my
third cousin than there would be otherwise? Can I just double the amount
of expected gene-sharing since he is my third cousin in two ways? This
is not just an academic question since the situation can and does come
up with certain frequency in my research. I've posted this to the DNA
board as well. Thanks in advance....

Adam


sandy@...
 

I tried, but to no avail. My paternal grandmother's sister married their first cousin and had the same last name,
same side of the family. The three children >from that union have since died, but I tried to get the grandchildren of
that union, at least one is male, to take a dna test to get a purer results of background. But he declined.

On Thu 03/05/18 12:28 PM , "Adam Cherson adam.cherson@gmail.com" ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org sent:

Wondering if anyone has done dna comparisons between double-cousin
relatives. For instance, supposing I have a third cousin whose parents
are first cousins? How much more gene sharing is there between me and
my third cousin than there would be otherwise? Can I just double the
amount of expected gene-sharing since he is my third cousin in two ways? This
is not just an academic question since the situation can and does come
up with certain frequency in my research. I've posted this to the DNA
board as well. Thanks in advance....

Adam