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My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #ciechanow #poland
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Marti Wulfow Garner <wulfow@...>
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05E37.1CD6DF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow listed in some of the Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my fathers brothers and their wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to avoid serving in the Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this date because my grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a visit and then went back. This is the last we heard >from them. This greatuncle supposedly went back because his wife did not wish to leave her belongings behind which she would have had to done to emigrate. Does anyone know why I might have found my surname in the lists located at www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what this means. I am clueless. Thanks for any help Marti Wulfow Garner ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05E37.1CD6DF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DPapyrus><SPAN = class=3D830070304-05122000><STRONG>I=20 was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow listed in some of the = Ciechanow=20 lists. The only Wulfows I know are my fathers brothers and their = wives and=20 children. My grandfather left Russia to avoid serving in the = Czar's=20 army. This was prior to 1910. I know this date because my=20 grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a visit and then went=20 back. This is the last we heard >from them. This greatuncle=20 supposedly went back because his wife did not wish to leave her = belongings=20 behind which she would have had to done to=20 emigrate.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DPapyrus><SPAN=20 class=3D830070304-05122000><STRONG>Does anyone know why I might have = found my=20 surname in the lists located at <A=20 href=3D"http://www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm">www.firstport.co= m/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm</A> and=20 what this means. I am clueless.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DPapyrus><SPAN=20 class=3D830070304-05122000></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#000080 = face=3DPapyrus><SPAN=20 class=3D830070304-05122000><STRONG>Thanks for any=20 help</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DPapyrus><SPAN=20 class=3D830070304-05122000><STRONG>Marti Wulfow=20 Garner</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05E37.1CD6DF30-- |
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ggold <ggold@...>
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The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura (daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index but will in the actual record. Regards, Jonathan Goldmacher With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same? Regards, Gary Goldstein This list is supported by JewishGen. Please show"A Jendrzejewski" <ajend@...> 12/05/00 10:10AM >>> your appreciation and support by visiting http://www.jewishgen.org/Jewishgen-erosity/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type M" does stand for "marriage records". So I am also confused by the headings at the top of the table. SURNAME: BURSZTYN GIVEN NAMES: Majer AKT: 2 FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow AGE: 19 TOWN: Ciechanow YEAR: 1836 TYPE: M FILM: 702466 This does not make it clear who the bride and groom are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but chaja is only 19! Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@...> To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@...> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow This list is supported by JewishGen. Please showlisted in some of the Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are myfathers brothers and their wives and children. My grandfather left Russia toavoid serving in the Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know thisdate because my grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for avisit and then went back. This is the last we heard >from them. Thisgreatuncle supposedly went back because his wife did not wish to leave herbelongings behind which she would have had to done to emigrate.in the lists located at www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and whatthis means. I am clueless.group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...>(ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogyhttp://www.jewishgen.org [ajend@...] To unsubscribe send email to$subst('Email.Unsub') --- To post to the Ciechanow Research discussion group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...> This research group (ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org You are currently subscribed to ciechanow as: [JGoldmacher@...] To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub') --- To post to the Ciechanow Research discussion group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...> This research group (ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org You are currently subscribed to ciechanow as: [olewnik@...] To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub') |
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A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
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M" does stand for "marriage records". So I am also confused by the headings at the top of the table. SURNAME: BURSZTYN GIVEN NAMES: Majer AKT: 2 FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow AGE: 19 TOWN: Ciechanow YEAR: 1836 TYPE: M FILM: 702466 This does not make it clear who the bride and groom are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but chaja is only 19! Andy ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@...> To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@...> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow This list is supported by JewishGen. Please showlisted in some of the Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are myfathers brothers and their wives and children. My grandfather left Russia toavoid serving in the Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know thisdate because my grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for avisit and then went back. This is the last we heard >from them. Thisgreatuncle supposedly went back because his wife did not wish to leave herbelongings behind which she would have had to done to emigrate.in the lists located at www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and whatthis means. I am clueless.group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...>(ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogyhttp://www.jewishgen.org [ajend@...] To unsubscribe send email to$subst('Email.Unsub') |
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A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
Those are simply microfilms of the surnames found in
the vital records (Akta) recorded by the family history center. People of the surname apparently lived in Ciechanow in those years, as proven by those records. BURSZTYN Majer 2 Mosek Mortkowicz Chaja Sura Wolfow 19 Ciechanow 1836 M 702466 In this case, I'm not sure whether this is a marriage record (Type M) or not, because the age of Chaja is young to be the mother of Majer and there is no spouse listed for him. Mosek might be a second husband, accounting for the Burstyn surname of Majer if this were a birth record. The next record down (see below), is the same type M, and it works better as a birth record. Chaja Klejnind born in Record 2 to Jakub (Klejnind) and Cyba nee Samsonow age 17 in 1836, record type m(?) in family history center microfilm number 702466. KLEJNIND Chaja 2 Jakub Cyba Samsonow 17 Ciechanow 1836 M 702466 The question in the record with which you are concerned, the Bursztyn and the Mortkowicz surnames do not resolve themselves. Perhaps ordering the film from a family history center would answer thisquestion. There are a few cases like this listed in the table provided on the Ciechanow list. This Chaja is *apparently* a possible ancestor of your grandfather. Andy Jendrzejewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@...> To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@...> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow This list is supported by JewishGen. Please showlisted in some of the Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are myfathers brothers and their wives and children. My grandfather left Russia toavoid serving in the Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know thisdate because my grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for avisit and then went back. This is the last we heard >from them. Thisgreatuncle supposedly went back because his wife did not wish to leave herbelongings behind which she would have had to done to emigrate.in the lists located at www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and whatthis means. I am clueless.group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...>(ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogyhttp://www.jewishgen.org [ajend@...] To unsubscribe send email to$subst('Email.Unsub') |
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Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura =
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in = Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index = but will in the actual record. Regards, Jonathan Goldmacher This list is supported by JewishGen. Please show"A Jendrzejewski" <ajend@...> 12/05/00 10:10AM >>> your appreciation and support by visiting http://www.jewishgen.org/Jewishgen-erosity/=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type M" does stand for "marriage records". So I am also confused by the headings at the top of the table. SURNAME: BURSZTYN GIVEN NAMES: Majer AKT: 2 FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow AGE: 19 TOWN: Ciechanow YEAR: 1836 TYPE: M FILM: 702466 This does not make it clear who the bride and groom are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but chaja is only 19! Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@...> To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@...> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow This list is supported by JewishGen. Please showlisted in some of the Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are myfathers brothers and their wives and children. My grandfather left Russia toavoid serving in the Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know thisdate because my grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for avisit and then went back. This is the last we heard >from them. Thisgreatuncle supposedly went back because his wife did not wish to leave herbelongings behind which she would have had to done to emigrate.in the lists located at www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and whatthis means. I am clueless.group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...>(ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogyhttp://www.jewishgen.org=20 [ajend@...]=20 To unsubscribe send email to$subst('Email.Unsub')=20 --- To post to the Ciechanow Research discussion group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...> This research group (ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org=20 You are currently subscribed to ciechanow as: [JGoldmacher@...]= =20 To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub') |
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Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
Majer is the son of Mosek.
Mosek is the son of Mortko. This list is supported by JewishGen. Please show"ggold" <ggold@...> 12/05/00 09:53PM >>> your appreciation and support by visiting http://www.jewishgen.org/Jewishgen-erosity/=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura (daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index = but will in the actual record. Regards, Jonathan Goldmacher With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same? Regards, Gary Goldstein This list is supported by JewishGen. Please show"A Jendrzejewski" <ajend@...> 12/05/00 10:10AM >>> your appreciation and support by visiting http://www.jewishgen.org/Jewishgen-erosity/=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type M" does stand for "marriage records". So I am also confused by the headings at the top of the table. SURNAME: BURSZTYN GIVEN NAMES: Majer AKT: 2 FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow AGE: 19 TOWN: Ciechanow YEAR: 1836 TYPE: M FILM: 702466 This does not make it clear who the bride and groom are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but chaja is only 19! Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@...> To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@...> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow This list is supported by JewishGen. Please showlisted in some of the Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are myfathers brothers and their wives and children. My grandfather left Russia toavoid serving in the Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know thisdate because my grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for avisit and then went back. This is the last we heard >from them. Thisgreatuncle supposedly went back because his wife did not wish to leave herbelongings behind which she would have had to done to emigrate.in the lists located at www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and whatthis means. I am clueless.group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...>(ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogyhttp://www.jewishgen.org=20 [ajend@...]=20 To unsubscribe send email to$subst('Email.Unsub')=20 --- To post to the Ciechanow Research discussion group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...> This research group (ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org=20 You are currently subscribed to ciechanow as: [JGoldmacher@...]= =20 To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')=20 --- To post to the Ciechanow Research discussion group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...> This research group (ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org=20 You are currently subscribed to ciechanow as: [olewnik@...]= =20 To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')=20 --- To post to the Ciechanow Research discussion group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...> This research group (ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org=20 You are currently subscribed to ciechanow as: [JGoldmacher@...]= =20 To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub') |
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A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
Owicz is one of the several Polish suffixes meaning "son of". |
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ggold <ggold@...>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thank you,Jonathan. With regard to this, then: BARTNIK Mosek 8, Guta Aronowicz, Estera Joskow, 36 Ciechanow 1834 M 702466 ICKOW Estera Frayda 8, Icek Herszkowicz, Blima Jakubow, 22 Ciechanow 1834 M 702466 Mosek is the son of Guta, and Guta is son of Aron? Estera is the daughter of Icek, and Icek is son of Herszko? What is the significance of the "owicz?" Joskow is the maiden name for Estera? Jakubow is the maiden name for Blima? Thanks in advance, Gary Goldstein |
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Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
Gary,
You're right on all accounts. In Polish, OWICZ means "son of" while OWNA means "daughter of." That's why some last names are referred to as patronymic. Abramowitz, = Leibowitz, etc. =20 Jonathan http://www.jewishgen.org/Jewishgen-erosity/=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thank you,Jonathan. With regard to this, then: BARTNIK Mosek 8, Guta Aronowicz, Estera Joskow, 36 Ciechanow 1834 = M 702466 ICKOW Estera Frayda 8, Icek Herszkowicz, Blima Jakubow, 22 Ciechanow 1834 = M 702466 Mosek is the son of Guta, and Guta is son of Aron? Estera is the daughter of Icek, and Icek is son of Herszko? What is the significance of the "owicz?" Joskow is the maiden name for Estera? Jakubow is the maiden name for Blima? Thanks in advance, Gary Goldstein --- To post to the Ciechanow Research discussion group, send your message to: <ciechanow@...> This research group (ciechanow@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org=20 You are currently subscribed to ciechanow as: [JGoldmacher@...]= =20 To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub') |
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