My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #poland #ciechanow


Marti Wulfow Garner <wulfow@...>
 

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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner

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ggold <ggold@...>
 

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The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in
Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index but
will in the actual record.

Regards,

Jonathan Goldmacher

With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the
son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same?

Regards,

Gary Goldstein




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Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
 

Those are simply microfilms of the surnames found in
the vital records (Akta) recorded by the family
history center. People of the surname apparently
lived in Ciechanow in those years, as proven by
those records.

BURSZTYN Majer 2 Mosek Mortkowicz Chaja Sura Wolfow
19 Ciechanow 1836 M 702466

In this case, I'm not sure whether this is a
marriage record (Type M) or not, because the age of
Chaja is young to be the mother of Majer and there
is no spouse listed for him. Mosek might be a second
husband, accounting for the Burstyn surname of Majer
if this were a birth record.

The next record down (see below), is the same type
M, and it works better as a birth record. Chaja
Klejnind born in Record 2 to Jakub (Klejnind) and
Cyba nee Samsonow age 17 in 1836, record type m(?)
in family history center microfilm number 702466.

KLEJNIND Chaja 2 Jakub Cyba Samsonow 17 Ciechanow
1836 M 702466

The question in the record with which you are
concerned, the Bursztyn and the Mortkowicz surnames
do not resolve themselves. Perhaps ordering the film
from a family history center would answer this
question. There are a few cases like this listed in
the table provided on the Ciechanow list.

This Chaja is *apparently* a possible ancestor of
your grandfather.

Andy Jendrzejewski






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From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
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Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
 

Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy

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From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
 

The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura =
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in =
Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index =
but will in the actual record.

Regards,

Jonathan Goldmacher

"A Jendrzejewski" <ajend@vincennes.net> 12/05/00 10:10AM >>>
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Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
<ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
 

Majer is the son of Mosek.

Mosek is the son of Mortko.

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The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in
Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index =
but
will in the actual record.

Regards,

Jonathan Goldmacher

With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the
son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same?

Regards,

Gary Goldstein




"A Jendrzejewski" <ajend@vincennes.net> 12/05/00 10:10AM >>>
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Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
<ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
 


What is the significance of the "owicz?"
Owicz is one of the several Polish suffixes meaning
"son of".


ggold <ggold@...>
 

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Majer is the son of Mosek.

Mosek is the son of Mortko.
Thank you,Jonathan. With regard to this, then:

BARTNIK Mosek 8, Guta Aronowicz, Estera Joskow, 36 Ciechanow 1834 M
702466
ICKOW Estera Frayda 8, Icek Herszkowicz, Blima Jakubow, 22 Ciechanow 1834 M
702466


Mosek is the son of Guta, and Guta is son of Aron?

Estera is the daughter of Icek, and Icek is son of Herszko?

What is the significance of the "owicz?"

Joskow is the maiden name for Estera?

Jakubow is the maiden name for Blima?

Thanks in advance,

Gary Goldstein


Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
 

Gary,

You're right on all accounts.

In Polish, OWICZ means "son of" while OWNA means "daughter of."

That's why some last names are referred to as patronymic. Abramowitz, =
Leibowitz, etc. =20

Jonathan

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Majer is the son of Mosek.

Mosek is the son of Mortko.
Thank you,Jonathan. With regard to this, then:

BARTNIK Mosek 8, Guta Aronowicz, Estera Joskow, 36 Ciechanow 1834 =
M
702466
ICKOW Estera Frayda 8, Icek Herszkowicz, Blima Jakubow, 22 Ciechanow 1834 =
M
702466


Mosek is the son of Guta, and Guta is son of Aron?

Estera is the daughter of Icek, and Icek is son of Herszko?

What is the significance of the "owicz?"

Joskow is the maiden name for Estera?

Jakubow is the maiden name for Blima?

Thanks in advance,

Gary Goldstein


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