Dear all,
Re Bernstein, Borenstein, Rubenstein and family naming patterns
In regard to Richard Cooper's note, Bernstein and its derivatives are
incredibly common names, found throughout Eastern Europe. The surname and
its derivatives merely mean red stone.
My great great grandmother Rebecca (born about 1840, came to Edinburgh about
1870, died Edinburgh 1907) was known as Rubenstein, Bernstein and also
Borenstein on her different records - she came >from
Vistytis/Vishtinetz/Wistitten/Wiestieniec, now in Lithuania but for most of
19th century in NE Poland, in Suwalki area. However, her niece Janet Brown
(Brin) of Vishtinetz, married Harris Michaelson of Grodno in Warsaw, and
they came to Edinburgh via Warsaw in 1867 or 1868 (the first of the Brown
family to come over). Warsaw was a major railway centre, and emigration to
Hamburg and other ports, could be via the railway and Warsaw.
Note; Scottish records tell you a lot more than English records - recording
dates and places of parent's marriages on their children's birth
certificates - this has allowed me to piece together more information than
for my family that went to Northern England.
Also, my grandmother's sister Augusta Abrahams married a Harry Bernstein in
Manchester in 1910. As I discovered, there are a large number of Bernstein's
in Manchester, and they do not seem to be inter-related as far as I know.
They come >from all over Eastern Europe.
In regard to family naming patterns, it can be difficult to make assessments
because Jews used the same small pot of names. For example, Abraham tended
to be the name of the eldest son, in the majority of cases. I have Abraham
Abrahams in my family - and that must be one of the most common Jewish
names, but few would be related, due to using patronymics as a surname. It
is easier where there are two groups of names - for example Cyza Malka
appears in alternate generations in my Guttenberg family (which became
Cissie Miriam).
Jill Whitehead
Researching Abrahams/Abrams of Manchester
Brin/Bown of Vishtinetz and Edinburgh
Guttenberg/Graham of Rajgrod and Hull/Grimsby/.Sheffield
Servian/Serwianski of Lake Serwy near Augustow and Liverpool
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----- Original Message ----- From: "JCR-UK SIG digest" <jcr-uk@...> To: "jcr-uk digest recipients" <jcr-uk@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:00 AM Subject: jcr-uk digest: August 15, 2005 JCR-UK Digest for Monday, August 15, 2005.
1. JEWISH DIRECTORY
2. INTRO BERNSTEIN and ISAACS Families
3. MOSES family
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Subject: JEWISH DIRECTORY
From: "B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@...>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:13:53 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1
Hello,
I've been studiously following the advice given me >from my last email a
number of months ago regarding my elusive ADELSON family. I've even =
created
a spreadsheet that contains pertinent information gleaned >from =
directories
and census' so as to compare the different Adelson families on these
records, hoping to figure out which is mine. My great-uncle, Samuel =
Adelson,
noted on his 1920 passenger record (to the US) that he last resided with =
his
"aunt, Mrs. Adelson, at 88 Gosset St., Brick Lane, London." We presume =
that
her husband, Mr. Adelson, was my great-grandfather's brother, at that =
time
deceased. Unfortunately, we know of no given names. What we do know is =
that
Mr. Adelson's father's name was Hirsch and he was born in Lithuania. To =
get
to the point, after getting hold of some vital records, the two London
families I thought could be ours, are not. I'm trying for the third and
final Adelson Londoner, whom I found on the 1900 London City Directory. =
Can
somebody tell me if there are additional London City Directories online =
from
the period 1910-1920? Also, how can I get hold of this person's =
Immigration
record or any record that would indicate his father's name or his own =
place
of birth (other than Russia/Lithuania)? That's the only way I can =
conceive
of confirming a relationship.
Thanks in advance for your guidance.
Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, Arizona USA
picturethisfilm@...
Seeking: ADELSON (London, Vilna, Butrimantz & surrounds)
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Subject: INTRO BERNSTEIN and ISAACS Families
From: "Richard Cooper" <ricooper@...>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:57:37 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2
Re your search for ISAACS and BERNSTEIN families posted on 11/8/05:
My great-grandparents were Wolf BERNSTINE (also BERNSTEINE
and BORENSTIN) and Annie (Toibe Hinde) MATELEVITCH.
Wolf was born in Warsaw in 1856, son of Boruch and Rachel BORENSTEJN.
Annie was born in Warsaw in 1859, daughter of
Ephraim MATELEVITCH and Louise GOTTSCHINSKI.
Wolf and Annie had 9 children:
Abraham (1880, Warsaw)
Rachel (1882, Paris)
Jacob (1883, London)
David (1885, London)
Samuel (1886, Huntingdon)
Henry (1888, London)
Alfred (1891, Bramley, Surrey)
Frank (1899, Southsea, Hampshire)(my grandfather)
Dora (1902, Southsea - died infant)
In the late 19th century more Jews lived in Warsaw than in any other
city on earth apart >from New York, so the similarity of our BERNSTEIN
names (Rachel, Annie, Barnett = Boruch) may be coincidence.
The clincher would be if your BERNSTEINs were Levites, as was my
Wolf BERNSTINE,
Good luck in your research,
Yours sincerely
Richard Cooper
Gosport, UK
BORENSTEIN, MATELEVITCH and GODZINSKIJ >from Warsaw
LEZTER, RINENBERG & SALENDER >from Rzeszow & Kolbuszowa
MILLET & ENGELBERG >from Dabrowa Tarnowska, Zablocie & Lezajsk
ADLER & FINKELSTEIN >from Tarnopol
LEWINSTEIN >from Berdichev
YAROSHEVSKY & SHAPOCHNIKOW >from Odessa
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Subject: MOSES family
From: Lawrence Blum <lblum1@...>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:24:01 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
Hi,
My grandfather, Joseph FARBMAN, left Brest (now in Belarus) for London
in the late 1890s
and stayed with a cousin(?). The cousin's name was Nathan MOSES.
According to the census
they lived in White Chapel. Does anyone have information about the MOSES
family?
Please reply Private. lblum1@...
Thank You
Lawrence Blum of Port Richey, Florida
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