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Looking for help please - searching great grandparents


Susan Millar
 

To the best of my knowledge, my great grandparents , Marks Albeitman and Esther M Pfeffer, left Poland and settled in London, UK , in the early 1900’s.   


They arrived with two children, Samuel Harry & Renee Rachel.  They went on to have three more children, Eva, Pauline. ( my grandmother) and Angel.

I have been told recently, that Albeitman would more likely have been Arbeitman.

My mother and I have recently taken Family Finder tests.  We both have a lot of matches.  I recognise none of the family names of my matches and those I contacted, do not recognise Albeitman or Pfeffer.

My great grandparents are buried together in a Jewish cemetery in London.  I have been told that the inscriptions on the headstone name both of their fathers ‘Abraham’.

I have no idea where to head next to establish my connections.

Any suggestions would be most welcome. 

Thanks in advance


RichardWerbin
 

Check the 1911 UK Census/

Is this them?
Name: Albeteman Marks
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Russia
Civil Parish: St James, Westminster
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 75 Berwick Street, Oxford St W
Marital status: Married
Occupation: TAILOR
Registration district: Westminster
Registration District Number: 6
Sub-registration district: St James and St Anne
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 495
Household Members:
Name Age
Albeteman Marks 32
Millie Marks 32
Harry Marks 11
Rachel Marks 9
Eva Marks 7
Polley Marks 5
Angel Marks 3

 


Susan Millar
 

Hello,

Yes, this is my family.   They went by the surname Albeitman - apart from this census, hence my confusion as to which is the correct surname.

Polley is actually my grandmother Pauline.  This leads me to think the enumerator misunderstood Mark’s accent?.

I would like to find them before they arrived in the UK.

Thank you for your reply.
Susan


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Check the 1911 UK Census/

Is this them?
Name: Albeteman Marks
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Russia
Civil Parish: St James, Westminster
Search Photos: Search for 'St James, Westminster' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 75 Berwick Street, Oxford St W
Marital status: Married
Occupation: TAILOR
Registration district: Westminster
Registration District Number: 6
Sub-registration district: St James and St Anne
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 495
Household Members:
Name Age
Albeteman Marks 32
Millie Marks 32
Harry Marks 11
Rachel Marks 9
Eva Marks 7
Polley Marks 5
Angel Marks 3

 


Eva Lawrence
 

If you are investigating ancestors in London, the organisation to turn
to is JGSGB, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain, which is
affiliated to JewisGen. We have a website and a discussion group where
you can pose quections and get knowledgeable advice.
My own advice would be to find out more about the couple's lives: His
trade or profession from censuses , the exact date of immigration
because, the passenger list of the boat they arrived on would give
clues to their town of origin. A signature on an image of an original
document would check the spelling of his name - and dictionary of
Jewish surnames could suggest possible places of origin.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
--
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Susan Millar
 

Hello Eva,

Thank you for your reply.   I will certainly look at JGSGB.

I do know of my greatgrandparents life once in England.
Mark was a Ladies Tailor and had several shops, one in Little Poland St, London and also at Ladbroke Grove, they lived above the shop.

I have never managed to find the arrival shipping manifest .  Given Harry & Rachel’s ages on the 1911 census, I have guessed an arrival year.

I have ordered a copy of Harry’s naturalisation certificate, hopefully I can learn something from that.

My mum tells me Esther was from Warsaw and Mark was a white Russian.

Thanks for your tips.

Susan
NZ




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Subject: Re: Looking for help please - searching great grandparents
 
If you are investigating ancestors in London, the organisation to turn
to is JGSGB, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain, which is
affiliated to JewisGen. We have a website and a discussion group where
you can pose quections and get knowledgeable  advice.
My own advice would be to find out more about the couple's lives: His
trade or profession from censuses , the exact date of immigration
because,  the passenger list of the boat they arrived on would give
clues to their town of origin.  A signature on an image of an original
document would check the spelling of his name - and  dictionary of
Jewish surnames could suggest possible places of origin.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK


Michael Hoffman
 

Hello Susan,

After you have received the copy of the Naturalisation Certificate, I would advise you to invoke a Freedom of Information request to open the
case files, then ask somebody at the JGSGB to go to the National Archives in Kew to photograph the case files for you, and to email to you the files.
Note, if you ask the National Archives to send you paper copies of the files contents, the National Archives will charge a very large copying fee.

Best regards,

Michael Hoffman

Borehamwood,
HERTS UK   


Susan Millar
 

Hello Michael,

Thank you for your reply and hint, much appreciated.

Regards,
Susan
NZ




From: Michael Hoffman <mikeh25@...>
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To: Susan Millar <susan_millar@...>; main@... <main@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Looking for help please - searching great grandparents
 
Hello Susan,

After you have received the copy of the Naturalisation Certificate, I would advise you to invoke a Freedom of Information request to open the
case files, then ask somebody at the JGSGB to go to the National Archives in Kew to photograph the case files for you, and to email to you the files.
Note, if you ask the National Archives to send you paper copies of the files contents, the National Archives will charge a very large copying fee.

Best regards,

Michael Hoffman

Borehamwood,
HERTS UK   


Valentin Lupu
 

I found these records that are probably related to your Albeitman family:
- Birth records (one of your grandmother Polley Pauline)





- Marriage records. Richard Ingram married Pauline in 1926 and Eva in 1936!





Pauline and Richard had two children born in 1927 and 1928, Sheila and John.





- Death records for Marks, Esther Millie and Harry:







Valentin Lupu
Israel


harry@...
 

Dear ms Miller,
 I read your e-mail with interest. I assume you are aware of a jounalist, Anshel Pfeffer and the Manchester Pfeffers.
Kind regards,
CA Ullmann


Susan Millar
 

Hello ,

Thank you for your email.

No, I am not aware of the journalist, Anshel Pfeffer or the Manchester Pfeffers but would be most interested to learn of them.

Susan


From: harry@... <harry@...>
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To: Susan Millar <susan_millar@...>; main@... <main@...>
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Dear ms Miller,
 I read your e-mail with interest. I assume you are aware of a jounalist, Anshel Pfeffer and the Manchester Pfeffers.
Kind regards,
CA Ullmann


Carole Shaw
 

Marks d 16/7/40 & Esther Milly d 20/11/52 Albeitman are buried next to each other in Willesden United Synagogue cemetery, section EX, Row 16, Plots 852/3. Next time I'm there I will take photos for you.

By chance, I am in the National Archives, Kew, and found there is only a naturalisation record for Samuel Harry. I have ordered one to view in 30 mins and will photograph it and send to you privately. I have taken the liberty of submitting a Freedom of Information request for a closed record for SH which should be dealt with in a few weeks. I hope that is OK.

Carole Shaw, London UK
SCHNEIDER: Kamanets Podolsk, Ukraine & Libau/Libava/Liepaja, Latvia
KLUGMAN, GOLDSCHMID (plus variations), BRAUER: Libava/Libau/Liepaja, Latvia, Johannesburg
ROSENTHAL, ZUSCHNEIDER: Lublin, Poland
GREENBERG, BRZOZA/BJOZHA, SOBERSKI: Lomza/Nowogrod, Poland
SAMSON, BLIK: Amsterdam, Zandvoort, Holland


Susan Millar
 

Thank you Carole,
pm’d you

Susan