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Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....


Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

I find it curious that some posters to this group don't consider it necessary to state where they reside in the world and numerous posters don't add a signature.  Surely when anyone sends a message to a friend or work colleague or a business, emails are always signed.  

Once upon a time there was a moderator who kept us all in line and brought these omissions to our attention.  I'm not suggesting we need to go back to an overseer but common courtesy would be welcome and appreciated.

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


Davida Handler
 

I agree - and what has happened to the SIG Digests?

Davida Noyek Handler
Henderson, Nevada, USA


Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

I agree with Naomi Barnett.

In addition, I wrote some time ago regarding writing family surnames in CAPITALS, as was once the case.

JewishGen, what's going on?

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel

"I find it curious that some posters to this group don't consider it necessary to state where they reside in the world and numerous posters don't add a signature.  Surely when anyone sends a message to a friend or work colleague or a business, emails are always signed.  
 
Once upon a time there was a moderator who kept us all in line and brought these omissions to our attention.  I'm not suggesting we need to go back to an overseer but common courtesy would be welcome and appreciated.
 
Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia"


Peter Lebensold
 

To answer the initial question and to Peter's below, yes "Virginia" there are still moderators on duty who must approve, edit, reject or delete every single post. However, our job is NOT to be an English teacher. We will not correct spelling, we will not correct grammar, we will not capitalize a last name, and we will not check to see if a link is correct. We will simply make certain of the following rules:

  • Topics: Posts should relate to Jewish genealogy. We do not discuss religious issues (such as "Who is a Jew" and other discussions which are frequently raised within the context of researching one's roots).
  • Moderation: This group is moderated to ensure civility, and that posts are related to Jewish genealogy.
  • Frequency: You may post unique messages as often as you like, but please try to be thoughtful in your posts, and do not abuse this approach by posting many messages the same day, etc.
  • Commercial Posts: We welcome everyone, including other non-profit organizations, to share commercial offers as long as they are related to Jewish genealogy, and that those posting them do not abuse the privilege. Commercial posts should not repeat more than once every three months.
  • Fundraising Posts: Please do not post fundraising requests for other organizations.
  • Images/Files: You may attach images and files (if a file is too large, we might resize it, or ask you to upload it somewhere else, and provide a link).
  • Language: The official language of the group is English, but we can accept messages and content in most languages. If posting something in a language other than English, please provide a sentence describing the content.
  • Links: If posting a link to a website not in English, please provide a description of the content.

Personally, I believe in a lot of communication so in my case I will approve almost everything that applies to the above rules and maybe even beyond. However, if there is a technical issue, a gripe or complaint about the site, please do not send it to the JewishGen Discussion group but to support@.... Also, understand that a single word like "thanks" or "OK" is not really relevant to send to over 7,500 individuals in a discussion group. Also please know that we are volunteers and in my case, it is my way of "giving back" to JewishGen for all that they do and have done to Jewish Genealogy. We not only have to approve posts but new members as well.

If you have any questions, or suggestions, please email the moderation team at moderators@....
Thank you for your understanding
Moderator on Duty




Naomi:

As a former moderator for this group myself, I - too - have been wondering the same thing. 

Moderators not only made sure that queries included all relevant information, that subject lines were informative (i.e. not simply "Help needed"), that duplicate questions ("Was my name changed at Ellis Island ...?) were referred to the appropriate previous discussions, and that senders' names were included: Moderators also double-checked links to make sure they were correct ... changed subject lines when a discussion shifted over to another issue ... headed off off-topic discussions (sometimes terminating those that seemed to have exhausted themselves) ... corrected the inevitable gobbledygook that resulted from correspondents trying to include accented characters (presumably no longer a problem) ... and performed such housekeeping functions as (a) making certain all family names were in caps, (b) limiting "Searching for" listings to no more than 6 lines, and (c) placing all meeting announcements at the end of the digest.

I'd be interested in learning if we still have moderators and - if so - whether their responsibilities have been changed.

Peter LEBENSOLD
Toronto


Joel Ives
 

I agree that no one is apparently monitoring comments and, many people have not read the Discussion Group requirements for posting messages. One of the worst titles that caused me, and many others, to totally ignore it, is the post, “thoughts – opinions.”  The person posting this message needs to be very specific.  You need to state “thoughts and opinions” about what?? The title of your post is critical to getting good results. Use proper capitalization and don’t use abbreviations that others may not understand. Capitalize family names. Tell us who and where you are and, describe in your message what time frame you are investigating and what the country or city of interest is.  Your post should tell a full story and be able to stand on its own.  We are all very busy and many people I know read more than a hundred emails every day. Most won’t even bother to open a message with a vague title. Of course this isn’t about me, it’s about you!  If you spend the time researching your family, and your time is valuable, it is important that you get the best result from your efforts especially when you broadcast a question that goes to thousands of people in the Jewishgen world. You should also be aware that your message is going into a database that Jewish researchers may be reading years from now.  Wouldn’t you want to carefully prepare your message to the future? I would suggest that you compose your message in “WORD” or another word processing program.  Check the spelling, punctuation, and the gramma and highlight the family surnames you are researching and note where your families were living in the past. Put this information at the bottom of each message.  When you get things just right, then cut and paste the message into the Jewishgen Discussion Group. Good luck in your research!

 

Joel IVES

Fair Lawn, New Jersey

 

Researching:

ISKOWITZ, Bucharest, Romania

MENDEL, Buhusi, Romania

KAPLAN, Lomza, Poland

ABOWITZ, Sniadowo, Poland

ZANKEL, Bohorodczany, Austria-Hungary

GLASER, Ivano-Frankivst, Ukraine

KORSUNSKY, Odessa, Russia

POKIDIELLO, Novoukrainka, Russia   


Judite Orensztajn
 

I would like to remind all the participants who live in the USA that there are people in this group that don't live in your country, and don't know the names and abbreviations of all the USA states. So, please, when writing where you live, add USA at the end. This is what anyone who lives in another country does, isn't it?

Thank you all in advance,

Judite Orensztajn, Jerusalem, Israel

 

 

 


Trudy Barch
 

I wrote thoughts/opinions and received many responses.   Sorry that you feel it wasn't enough.   IF you don't want to read the body of the message, you don't have to. 
Trudy Barch,  FL


fredelfruhman
 

Mr. Ives,

You said it all so well!

I find it amusing that your one typo -- I didn't go looking, but it just jumped out at me -- is genealogy-related.  You suggest that a composer check the "spelling, punctuation, and the gramma ...".   Shouldn't Gramma be capitalized?  And why leave out Grandpa?

:).

Now if people will only follow your valuable suggestions.

Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, NY

(not currently researching, but helping on ViewMate)


Vivian Kahn
 

Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation.

Vivian KAHN
Santa Rosa, California


Glenda Rubin
 

Vivian Kahn wrote:
Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation.
Vivian KAHN
Santa Rosa, California

I agree with Vivian on her points above, except that the person replying should cut and paste the original message in the reply. I tested this with this reply, and to make it easier to do, you need to cut the content, hit reply to the list, then paste. Where to paste?:  at the top or below your reply (actual or reverse chronological).  This could also lead to incomplete threads when some reply doing this and some don't. 
Back in the day, I appreciated seeing the full thread.

Glenda Rubin
Richmond, CA, USA

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Glenda Rubin
San Francisco Bay Area
Researching: STRYZEWSKI, STRAUSS, JANOFSKY, JANOFF, OBODOV, WERNICK, GREENBERG, KROCHAK. Shtetls: Lipovets, Ilintsy, Pliskov, Starokonstantinov, Krasilov


LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

This is what I am responding to: 
Glenda wrote “I agree with Vivian on her points above, except that the person replying should cut and paste the original message in the reply. I tested this with this reply, and to make it easier to do, you need to cut the content, hit reply to the list, then paste. Where to paste?:  at the top or below your reply (actual or reverse chronological).  This could also lead to incomplete threads when some reply doing this and some don't. 
Back in the day, I appreciated seeing the full thread”

I agree Glenda  but in actuality it is the not ready for prime time system that should still be in beta that doesn’t do that for us. It is pure frustration.
Louise Hajdenberg


Joan A. Baronberg
 

I agree with everything Joel and Vivian wrote—and am including Vivian’s message below.
I do note that the formatting on these emails has improved somewhat recently so there must be a Moderator somewhere and at some times. Let’s get transparency on this issue.

Joan A. Baronberg, Denver, CO, USA
Suchostav, Ukraine
Mester, Weiser, Friedman

3b. 
Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group..... 
From: Vivian Kahn
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:56:46 EST 

Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation.

Vivian KAHN
Santa Rosa, California



Hilary Henkin
 

I think there's a Murphy's law about that, if you're correcting someone's grammar or spelling, you'll have a typo of your own.

(Yes, I read this post 3 times before clicking Send....)

;-D

Hilary Henkin

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav (Dnipro) - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;  PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL - VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ



On 1/16/2020 8:30 AM, fredelfruhman wrote:
Mr. Ives,

You said it all so well!

I find it amusing that your one typo -- I didn't go looking, but it just jumped out at me -- is genealogy-related.  You suggest that a composer check the "spelling, punctuation, and the gramma ...".   Shouldn't Gramma be capitalized?  And why leave out Grandpa?

:).

Now if people will only follow your valuable suggestions.

Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, NY

(not currently researching, but helping on ViewMate)


Eva Lawrence
 

Should we add a another rule for moderators, not to accept posts
without a name and a location? I think that everyone should identify
themselves in this way, because this makes for more considered posts
and helps others to give more appropriate.responses.. .

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Vivian Kahn
 

When moderating I always added name, when it was apparent from message header, or rejected with message advising that including full name and location can help to ensure more useful responses. Very likely that omission of name is usually unintentional and not because sender wants to be anonymous.

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California


Wayne S Marcus
 

JewishGen got to be a important genealogy site by having a limited but strongly encouraged set of rules for the discussion group. Rule such as surname capitalization and informative titles, certainly aided readership growth and retention. These rules certainly are as significant to group success as the 8 noted in this thread. Without group success there will be nothing to moderate.
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Wayne Marcus SDJGS
Irvine, CA

Researching:MARCUS, ZELICOVICI, BUNIN, WALDMAN, WISHNEFSKY, ABRAMSON, CIURARU


Glenda Rubin
 

Looking at some of my recent replies that posted to the group, I saw a tagline with my name and location (that I had input)  and another  tagline with that info plus the names and places I'm researching.  Checking the discussion group page at https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main on the subscription link I found there's a section called *signature*, where you enter information that will automatically appear as a tagline at the bottom of all your messages.  I had forgotten about that until this discussion. If someone has posted this already, sorry for the duplication.

Glenda

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:37 AM Merv & Naomi Barnett <barnett@...> wrote:
I find it curious that some posters to this group don't consider it necessary to state where they reside in the world and numerous posters don't add a signature.  Surely when anyone sends a message to a friend or work colleague or a business, emails are always signed.  

Once upon a time there was a moderator who kept us all in line and brought these omissions to our attention.  I'm not suggesting we need to go back to an overseer but common courtesy would be welcome and appreciated.

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


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Glenda Rubin
San Francisco Bay Area
Researching: STRYZEWSKI, STRAUSS, JANOFSKY, JANOFF, OBODOV, WERNICK, GREENBERG, KROCHAK. Shtetls: Lipovets, Ilintsy, Pliskov, Starokonstantinov, Krasilov


Glenda Rubin
 

It doesn't seem to be consistent, but I hit reply to Louise's message (not via the links below the message, but the ordinary reply button in g-mail).  The subsequent screen was blank, but there was the image of 3 dots in the bottom left corner [...], which is a g-mail thing showing a message has been clipped.  I clicked on that, and a quote of the previous message appeared.  Hope this might help with the  threads issue.

(Also hoping my name, location, and research interests will automatically appear when this is sent).

Glenda

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:06 PM LOUISE HAJDENBERG via Groups.Jewishgen.Org <cabsha1=aol.com@...> wrote:
This is what I am responding to: 
Glenda wrote “I agree with Vivian on her points above, except that the person replying should cut and paste the original message in the reply. I tested this with this reply, and to make it easier to do, you need to cut the content, hit reply to the list, then paste. Where to paste?:  at the top or below your reply (actual or reverse chronological).  This could also lead to incomplete threads when some reply doing this and some don't. 
Back in the day, I appreciated seeing the full thread”

I agree Glenda  but in actuality it is the not ready for prime time system that should still be in beta that doesn’t do that for us. It is pure frustration.
Louise Hajdenberg


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Glenda Rubin
San Francisco Bay Area
Researching: STRYZEWSKI, STRAUSS, JANOFSKY, JANOFF, OBODOV, WERNICK, GREENBERG, KROCHAK. Shtetls: Lipovets, Ilintsy, Pliskov, Starokonstantinov, Krasilov


Beverley Davis
 

Quoted message:

Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....
From: Glenda Rubin
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 10:20:04 AEDT
It doesn't seem to be consistent, but I hit reply to Louise's message (not via the links below the message, but the ordinary reply button in g-mail). The subsequent screen was blank, but there was the image of 3 dots in the bottom left corner [...], which is a g-mail thing showing a message has been clipped. I clicked on that, and a quote of the previous message appeared. Hope this might help with the threads issue.

(Also hoping my name, location, and research interests will automatically appear when this is sent).

Glenda

===================

Hi Glenda: re your last line, no they didn’t!!!
Best wishes,
Beverley Davis, Melbourne, Australia


Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

WISH IT WERE THAT EASY.  When i attempt to sign in I get this message:  That email address does not have a groups.jewishgen.org account.  
Odd, because I’ve been using that email for over 20 years! And that’s how I sign in to the JewishGen databases.    

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jan 18, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Glenda Rubin <glendathree@...> wrote:

Looking at some of my recent replies that posted to the group, I saw a tagline with my name and location (that I had input)  and another  tagline with that info plus the names and places I'm researching.  Checking the discussion group page at https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main on the subscription link I found there's a section called *signature*, where you enter information that will automatically appear as a tagline at the bottom of all your messages.  I had forgotten about that until this discussion. If someone has posted this already, sorry for the duplication.

Glenda

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:37 AM Merv & Naomi Barnett <barnett@...> wrote:
I find it curious that some posters to this group don't consider it necessary to state where they reside in the world and numerous posters don't add a signature.  Surely when anyone sends a message to a friend or work colleague or a business, emails are always signed.  

Once upon a time there was a moderator who kept us all in line and brought these omissions to our attention.  I'm not suggesting we need to go back to an overseer but common courtesy would be welcome and appreciated.

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia

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Glenda Rubin
San Francisco Bay Area
Researching: STRYZEWSKI, STRAUSS, JANOFSKY, JANOFF, OBODOV, WERNICK, GREENBERG, KROCHAK. Shtetls: Lipovets, Ilintsy, Pliskov, Starokonstantinov, Krasilov._,_

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