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Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....
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Avraham Groll
Dear Friends, Thank you for everyone’s comments and suggestions as we continue to improve the JewishGen Discussion Group. We appreciate your feedback, and will take it seriously. A number of staff, volunteers, moderators and members will analyze the issues raised in detail, and we will aim to followup again before the end of the month. In the meantime, please email suggestions/feedback to support@.... Thank you for your continued support of JewishGen’s important work - we can’t do this with you. Avraham Groll Executive Director JewishGen.org -- Avraham Groll Executive Director JewishGen.org Edmond J. Safra Plaza | 36 Battery Place | New York, NY | 10280 646.437.4326 | agroll@... Visit us at JewishGen.org |
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Dahn Cukier
Sir, I have been on the mailing list for a number of years - I do not recall how many, but over 5, most likely longer. I have never found the family names in the signature to be helpful or meaningful. I do have over 150k "relatives" on the Ancestry DNA matches, I do find that somewhat helpful, but only the first 300-400 matches. With more and more awareness of data mining, I still see no reason to provide more information via e-mails than necessary. Dani CUKIER, BRIF, LISABETZKI, SKLAVIR and their various spellings and abbreviated forms. There are at least 4, 2, 5(and various shortenings), 3 of each of these that I actually know of. When you start to read readin, how do you know the fellow that wrote the readin, wrote the readin right? Festus Hagen Long Branch Saloon Dodge City, Kansas On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 10:49:54 PM GMT+2, Wayne S Marcus <wsmarcus@...> wrote: JewishGen got to be a important genealogy site by having a limited but strongly encouraged set of rules for the discussion group. Rule such as surname capitalization and informative titles, certainly aided readership growth and retention. These rules certainly are as significant to group success as the 8 noted in this thread. Without group success there will be nothing to moderate. -- Wayne Marcus SDJGS Irvine, CA Researching:MARCUS, ZELICOVICI, BUNIN, WALDMAN, WISHNEFSKY, ABRAMSON, CIURARU |
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LOUISE HAJDENBERG
Glenda,
That doesn’t seem the case in my aol account. It might help some. i have contacted support on three occasions with3 different numbers, one 2 days after launch, and no one ever got back to me so when a moderator says it is the proper place to email for ongoing site problems it is not sufficient. This is the only place. Louise Hajdenberg New York |
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Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
WISH IT WERE THAT EASY. When i attempt to sign in I get this message: That email address does not have a groups.jewishgen.org account.
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Odd, because I’ve been using that email for over 20 years! And that’s how I sign in to the JewishGen databases. Barbara Mannlein Tucson, AZ
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Beverley Davis
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Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group..... From: Glenda Rubin Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 10:20:04 AEDT It doesn't seem to be consistent, but I hit reply to Louise's message (not via the links below the message, but the ordinary reply button in g-mail). The subsequent screen was blank, but there was the image of 3 dots in the bottom left corner [...], which is a g-mail thing showing a message has been clipped. I clicked on that, and a quote of the previous message appeared. Hope this might help with the threads issue. (Also hoping my name, location, and research interests will automatically appear when this is sent). Glenda =================== Hi Glenda: re your last line, no they didn’t!!! Best wishes, Beverley Davis, Melbourne, Australia |
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Glenda Rubin
It doesn't seem to be consistent, but I hit reply to Louise's message (not via the links below the message, but the ordinary reply button in g-mail). The subsequent screen was blank, but there was the image of 3 dots in the bottom left corner [...], which is a g-mail thing showing a message has been clipped. I clicked on that, and a quote of the previous message appeared. Hope this might help with the threads issue. (Also hoping my name, location, and research interests will automatically appear when this is sent). Glenda On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:06 PM LOUISE HAJDENBERG via Groups.Jewishgen.Org <cabsha1=aol.com@...> wrote: This is what I am responding to: --
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Glenda Rubin
Looking at some of my recent replies that posted to the group, I saw a tagline with my name and location (that I had input) and another tagline with that info plus the names and places I'm researching. Checking the discussion group page at https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main on the subscription link I found there's a section called *signature*, where you enter information that will automatically appear as a tagline at the bottom of all your messages. I had forgotten about that until this discussion. If someone has posted this already, sorry for the duplication. Glenda On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:37 AM Merv & Naomi Barnett <barnett@...> wrote:
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Wayne S Marcus
JewishGen got to be a important genealogy site by having a limited but strongly encouraged set of rules for the discussion group. Rule such as surname capitalization and informative titles, certainly aided readership growth and retention. These rules certainly are as significant to group success as the 8 noted in this thread. Without group success there will be nothing to moderate.
-- Wayne Marcus SDJGS Irvine, CA Researching:MARCUS, ZELICOVICI, BUNIN, WALDMAN, WISHNEFSKY, ABRAMSON, CIURARU |
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Vivian Kahn
When moderating I always added name, when it was apparent from message header, or rejected with message advising that including full name and location can help to ensure more useful responses. Very likely that omission of name is usually unintentional and not because sender wants to be anonymous.
Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California |
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Eva Lawrence
Should we add a another rule for moderators, not to accept posts
without a name and a location? I think that everyone should identify themselves in this way, because this makes for more considered posts and helps others to give more appropriate.responses.. . Eva Lawrence St Albans, UK -- Eva Lawrence St Albans, UK. |
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Hilary Henkin
I think there's a Murphy's law about that, if you're correcting
someone's grammar or spelling, you'll have a typo of your own.
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(Yes, I read this post 3 times before clicking Send....) ;-D Hilary Henkin Researching: On 1/16/2020 8:30 AM, fredelfruhman
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Joan A. Baronberg
I agree with everything Joel and Vivian wrote—and am including Vivian’s message below.
I do note that the formatting on these emails has improved somewhat recently so there must be a Moderator somewhere and at some times. Let’s get transparency on this issue. Joan A. Baronberg, Denver, CO, USA Suchostav, Ukraine Mester, Weiser, Friedman
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LOUISE HAJDENBERG
This is what I am responding to:
Glenda wrote “I agree with Vivian on her points above, except that the person replying should cut and paste the original message in the reply. I tested this with this reply, and to make it easier to do, you need to cut the content, hit reply to the list, then paste. Where to paste?: at the top or below your reply (actual or reverse chronological). This could also lead to incomplete threads when some reply doing this and some don't. Back in the day, I appreciated seeing the full thread” I agree Glenda but in actuality it is the not ready for prime time system that should still be in beta that doesn’t do that for us. It is pure frustration. Louise Hajdenberg |
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Glenda Rubin
Vivian Kahn wrote: Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation. I agree with Vivian on her points above, except that the person replying should cut and paste the original message in the reply. I tested this with this reply, and to make it easier to do, you need to cut the content, hit reply to the list, then paste. Where to paste?: at the top or below your reply (actual or reverse chronological). This could also lead to incomplete threads when some reply doing this and some don't. Back in the day, I appreciated seeing the full thread. Glenda Rubin Richmond, CA, USA -- Glenda Rubin |
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Vivian Kahn
Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation.
Vivian KAHN Santa Rosa, California |
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fredelfruhman
Mr. Ives,
You said it all so well! I find it amusing that your one typo -- I didn't go looking, but it just jumped out at me -- is genealogy-related. You suggest that a composer check the "spelling, punctuation, and the gramma ...". Shouldn't Gramma be capitalized? And why leave out Grandpa? :). Now if people will only follow your valuable suggestions. Fredel Fruhman Brooklyn, NY (not currently researching, but helping on ViewMate) |
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Trudy Barch
I wrote thoughts/opinions and received many responses. Sorry that you feel it wasn't enough. IF you don't want to read the body of the message, you don't have to.
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I would like to remind all the participants who live in the USA that there are people in this group that don't live in your country, and don't know the names and abbreviations of all the USA states. So, please, when writing where you live, add USA at the end. This is what anyone who lives in another country does, isn't it? Thank you all in advance, Judite Orensztajn, Jerusalem, Israel
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I agree that no one is apparently monitoring comments and, many people have not read the Discussion Group requirements for posting messages. One of the worst titles that caused me, and many others, to totally ignore it, is the post, “thoughts – opinions.” The person posting this message needs to be very specific. You need to state “thoughts and opinions” about what?? The title of your post is critical to getting good results. Use proper capitalization and don’t use abbreviations that others may not understand. Capitalize family names. Tell us who and where you are and, describe in your message what time frame you are investigating and what the country or city of interest is. Your post should tell a full story and be able to stand on its own. We are all very busy and many people I know read more than a hundred emails every day. Most won’t even bother to open a message with a vague title. Of course this isn’t about me, it’s about you! If you spend the time researching your family, and your time is valuable, it is important that you get the best result from your efforts especially when you broadcast a question that goes to thousands of people in the Jewishgen world. You should also be aware that your message is going into a database that Jewish researchers may be reading years from now. Wouldn’t you want to carefully prepare your message to the future? I would suggest that you compose your message in “WORD” or another word processing program. Check the spelling, punctuation, and the gramma and highlight the family surnames you are researching and note where your families were living in the past. Put this information at the bottom of each message. When you get things just right, then cut and paste the message into the Jewishgen Discussion Group. Good luck in your research!
Joel IVES Fair Lawn, New Jersey
Researching: ISKOWITZ, Bucharest, Romania MENDEL, Buhusi, Romania KAPLAN, Lomza, Poland ABOWITZ, Sniadowo, Poland ZANKEL, Bohorodczany, Austria-Hungary GLASER, Ivano-Frankivst, Ukraine KORSUNSKY, Odessa, Russia POKIDIELLO, Novoukrainka, Russia |
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Peter Lebensold
To answer the initial question and to Peter's below, yes "Virginia" there are still moderators on duty who must approve, edit, reject or delete every single post. However, our job is NOT to be an English teacher. We will not correct spelling, we will not correct grammar, we will not capitalize a last name, and we will not check to see if a link is correct. We will simply make certain of the following rules:
Personally, I believe in a lot of communication so in my case I will approve almost everything that applies to the above rules and maybe even beyond. However, if there is a technical issue, a gripe or complaint about the site, please do not send it to the JewishGen Discussion group but to support@.... Also, understand that a single word like "thanks" or "OK" is not really relevant to send to over 7,500 individuals in a discussion group. Also please know that we are volunteers and in my case, it is my way of "giving back" to JewishGen for all that they do and have done to Jewish Genealogy. We not only have to approve posts but new members as well. If you have any questions, or suggestions, please email the moderation team at moderators@.... Thank you for your understanding Moderator on Duty Naomi: As a former moderator for this group myself, I - too - have been wondering the same thing. Moderators not only made sure that queries included all relevant information, that subject lines were informative (i.e. not simply "Help needed"), that duplicate questions ("Was my name changed at Ellis Island ...?) were referred to the appropriate previous discussions, and that senders' names were included: Moderators also double-checked links to make sure they were correct ... changed subject lines when a discussion shifted over to another issue ... headed off off-topic discussions (sometimes terminating those that seemed to have exhausted themselves) ... corrected the inevitable gobbledygook that resulted from correspondents trying to include accented characters (presumably no longer a problem) ... and performed such housekeeping functions as (a) making certain all family names were in caps, (b) limiting "Searching for" listings to no more than 6 lines, and (c) placing all meeting announcements at the end of the digest. I'd be interested in learning if we still have moderators and - if so - whether their responsibilities have been changed. Peter LEBENSOLD Toronto |
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