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US immigration records in early 19th century #usa


jamehar@...
 

I've been trying to identify where my family came from in Russia for some time without much luck (I am British and the only information I can find is an 1861 census record for my ancestor - Raphael Marks - where his birthplace is stated as being 'Russia' [probably either 1816 or 1826]). No immigration records are available for Raphael which have been able to get me closer to identifying where in Russia he came from.

Following feedback from this group last month, I've looked into my DNA connections in more detail. Interestingly, some of those who match me, my grandfather and my grandfather's second cousin (via the Mark's line) match with a number of people who have a US lady called Phoebe Marks in their trees. It seems that her ancestor - Nathan Marks - was also from Russia (born 1838 and emigrated to New York via the UK in 1867). I'm thinking that if I can work out where Nathan came from, it might narrow down the search for where Raphael came from too (as they may well be brothers/cousins/uncle-nephew/etc).

From previous guidance on here, it sounds like the US immigration records for Nathan might provide me with a clue about where he (and maybe also Raphael) came from. I'm not finding detailed records on Ancestry through - just index-type records. Am I looking in the wrong place?


David Oseas
 

For the most part, Ancestry has only index records.  FamilySearch has images of naturalization documents, but many are not indexed yet.  First try FamilySearch's indexes to see if you can easily locate the documents.

If they are not indexed, don't despair: with the information provided by Ancestry and a bit of detective work, you can usually locate them.

I recently went through the same process for a relative & I'll walk you through the steps, using her naturalization as an example. My relative was Ida Schechter (b. 1890), naturalized 29 Jun 1943 in Eastern District Ct of NY (https://search.ancestry.com/collections/1192/records/185403 ).

From the Ancestry data, you will need to determine which court your relative naturalized in.  Depending on the collection, this may be included as field, provided in the source citation, or may be in the name of the collection itself.  In Ida's case, the data appears both as a data field and in the source citation: Eastern District Ct of NY.

If an image exists for the Ancestry index record, examine it:  depending on when/where the naturalization happened, you may need the date and/or the petition number and/or volume & page number.  These pieces of information are usually not captured in Ancestry's indexing.  In Ida's case, her petition number is 370911.  If you are looking for a declaration (ie, initial papers, not final papers), the process will work the same way, but you record the info about the declaration, not the petition.

Now go to the FamilySeach catalog (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/search ) and do a keyword search. Enter the name and type of the court, followed by either "naturalization" or "petition" (for declarations, use "declaration") without quotations.  In this example, we will search for "New York Eastern District Petition".

You may need to experiment with both words to see which brings up the appropriate collections.  Note that there may be several collections returned, usually a mixture of index-only and ones with full records, and usually for different time periods.

In my example, 16 search results are returned.  However, from the description, we can see that the collection that includes the full records is "Final petition and citizenship papers (New York), 1865-1958".  Next, we need to look at the details of this collection (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/988724 ).  For this collection, we locate the roll of film (digitized images) that contain Ida's petition #370911, which is "Naturalization records, (cert. no. 370587-371100) 19-24 Feb 1943" (FHL 2394797, DGS 007778077).  Do not be confused by FamilySearch's use of the term "cert." here, this is actually the petition number (I've asked them several times to correct their catalog terminology).  Also, note that the date on the index card was the date of admission, not the date of the petition and occurs sometime later.  Take note if the roll contains multiple items, and if so, which item contains the desired record.

Now we click on the camera icon to enter the image browser to view the film.  Since this roll only contains one item, we start at the beginning.  Otherwise, we would first need to locate the start of the item within the roll. 

Examine a few of the first documents to see what is included.  In this case, there is a copy of the Certificate of Arrival (CofA), plus the petition, front and back, so there are approximately 3 images per document.  Other collections may also include copies of the declaration, while others may omit the CofA.  Examine one of the petitions to see the petition number stamped on it -- I tend to use the image in the upper right hand corner, which is image #10; in this case, the next image (#11) contains petition #370588.  Do the math to determine which image number is going to be close to where we want:  #370911 - #370588 = 323 petitions * 3 images/petition = 969 images; we are starting on image 11, so we want to go to image 980.  The math will frequently be off, since some records may be missing pages or have additional pages, or may have been filmed more than once.

You can do the math from where you end up to get closer, or simply browse to the desired image.  In my case, images 1167-1169 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMV-VFBJ?i=1166&cat=988724 ) contain the petition that I was looking for.

Hope this helps you (and others) in your search.

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Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STECKER: New York > Florida
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


David Oseas
 

One word of caution that I forgot to mention in my detailed reply:  for pre-1907 naturalizations, don't get your hopes up about finding where your relative came from or how they arrived.  These naturalization records seldom contain anything more than the name and residence of the applicant and the signature of the applicant and a witness.

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Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STECKER: New York > Florida
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


Karen <kgschneider@...>
 

You may be searching the right way however it was probably too early to obtain the information you want from those records. According to this Ellis Island link about researching U.S. immigration records, it seems:
The person's birthplace was not requested on ships' lists until 1906.
And it wasn't until 1907 that a second page was added that included the name and address of the alien's nearest relative in the country from which they came. 
https://www.njgsbc.org/files/immigration/ship05.html#whatinfo


Sally Bruckheimer
 

Karen replied, "
 

You may be searching the right way however it was probably too early to obtain the information you want from those records. According to this Ellis Island link about researching U.S. immigration records, it seems:

The person's birthplace was not requested on ships' lists until 1906."

This was common, and most passenger lists had very little or no information, but you never know. My ggrandmother came to the US, alone, at age 11, in 1858 - very much before 1906 - and her passenger list had her place of birth. Since I had her parents' names from her death record, I ordered the bmd from LDS for that town (luckily they had the right years). And despite the fact that she had a very common name (Sara Hirsch) and the passenger list said she was 8 years old, her parents were right and her birth date was right. Later I found that her sister came also, in 1870 - also before 1906, and also with the same birth place.

The bottom line is that you never know until you find the record.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


N. Summers
 

What is BMD? Birth, marriage, death?

Nancy S.
Maryland, USA


Diane Jacobs
 

Yes 



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What is BMD? Birth, marriage, death?

Nancy S.
Maryland, USA
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Diane Jacobs