Please help us solve a 50 Yr Old Family Mystery! #general #poland
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FamilySearchPoland
Hello All,
We have a 50+ year family secret we'd love to solve. Our mother and her sisters took their grave any knowledge of my Grandma Bessie Appel / Pesa Appel. Growing up we were told she was deceased, which in fact, my Mother and Her siblings were taken away and placed into foster homes. So we understand a lot of negativity transpired that may have led to everything being kept hidden. But now, these individuals have all passed away, and we have a gaping hole in our family tree. Our Grandmother was Bessie Appel Married Charles Denenberg. Bessie was not her name at birth. We believe she was Pesa Appel. Her Parents are listed as Moses Appel and Esther Goldman. Though, our only proof of Bessie / Pesa's parents are on the Marriage Registry where their names are listed by Bessie on the entry. An adoption record exists for Bessie Appel's children where a Jacob Appel is mentioned. Another document references a Brother (name redacted though). We believe Jacob to be Bessie's Brother through all the research we've conducted. There is simply no other Jacob Appel in the entire state of Michigan that had a sister, and her name was Pesa. We are not sure the exact relation, and it could be through adoption in Poland, Half Brother, or full flood relations. We have been unable to substantiate Pesa / Bessie's exact lineage. Our research has been unable to locate a Moses Appel and Esther Goldman who had a daughter named Bessie or Pesa born in 1902 in Tomaszow Poland. CAN YOU HELP SOLVE THIS MYSTERY AND LINK PESA APPEL TO MOSES APPEL + ESTHER GOLDMAN? ----- > See Attached Documents for a synopsis of all we know. 1. 1920.detroit..jpg - See Line #1. You'll see Pesa Appel is sailing on the S.S. Scandinavian from Antwerp on September 23, 1920 headed to Detroit, Michigan. She was Debarred. 2. pesaappelOct1920manifestpg2familysearch.jpg - Nothing of much importance. 7/6/20 says Pesa Appel is in good health. 3. pesaappelOct1920manifestv2pg2famsearch.jpg - 10/1/20 - B.S.I affidavit on file. Admin Bond 1 yr 1/230/434 Debarred Oct 1, 1920 4. pesaappelOct1920manifestfamilysearch.jpg - You can see she was headed to Detroit, Michigan to see her brother Jacob Appel. She was Debarred in Quebec Canada. 5. Bessie2.jpg - On May 16, 1922 she must have traveled to Detroit, Michigan at some point, because she was married to Charles Denenberg. Parents Listed as Moses Appel and Esther Goldman. 6. pesaappelOct1922manifestv2famsearch.jpg = July 20, 1922. Pesa Appel lists No Relatives from where she came from. 7. 1922.CPOS.Manifest.jpg - List or Manifest of Alien Passengers Applying for Admission to the United States via per C.P.O.S on July 24,1922. Line #1. She is there to vist her brother Jacob Appel and lists her place of birth as Tomaszow, Poland. 8. 1922.Immigration.service.jpg - Self Explanatory 9. 1920-Jacob.and.family.Census.jpg - Line #31 - Jacob Appel and Family 10. 1930-Jacob.and.family.jpg - Line #82 - Jacob Appel and Family 11. 1940 Census-jacob.and.Lillie.jpg - Line #50 & #51 - Jacob Appel and his wife Lilly 12. 1940-philip.jpg - Jacob Appel's Son Phillip R. Appel, his Wife Bula Appel, and their daughter Nancy. Line #74 13. Death.jpg - Bessie Appel's Death Certificate. |
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FamilySearchPoland
Patricia Wilson located these Documents: Anyone have thoughts / insight here. We need to find more documents creating a link. PLEASE HELP! |
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Shelley Mitchell
The only thing I can comment about is Bessie’s name. My grandmother has a sister, Beyla, who died at birth. When my grandmother came along, they named her Pesia Beyla. The superstition was that by putting another name in front of the dead child’s name, the Devil wouldn’t find her. It worked. My grandmother lived to be 98.
-- Shelley Mitchell NYC searching KONIGSBERG/KINIGSBERG, TERNER, MOLDAUER, SCHONFELD - Kolomyya PLATZ - DELATYN. All Galicia. |
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Flavio Baran <fdbaran@...>
Maybe you are already aware of this, but there is a Tomaszow Mazowiecki and a Tomaszow Lubelski. Also, I as far as I know, Apfel and Appel, though similar, are not identical, meaning they are not just a different spelling of the same name. Good luck!
Vered Dayan Israel (I really don't know why the name Flavio Baran is listed as my name up there, no idea who he is.) -- Miriam Bulwar David-Hay, Raanana, Israel. Researching: BULWAR/BULWA - Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz. PELCMAN/PELTZMAN - Rawa Mazowiecka. ROZENBERG, WEISKOPF - Przedborz, Lodz. FRENKIEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER - Belz, Lublin? KALUSZYNER, KASZKIET, KUSMIERSKI, KUZKA, JABLONKA, SIENNICKI - Kaluszyn, Lodz. WAKS, BEKIER - Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz. |
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FamilySearchPoland
Except in this case, it appears they are related. The parent's name Esther (tauba) Goldman and Moses Appeal (Moszko Apfel) appear to be associated with a Judko born about the same year as Jacob in the same city Bessie (Pesa) Appel claims to be born. Tomaszow, Poland.
It appears the Apfel family comes from Tomaszow Lubelski |
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gdh2_98
Some exciting links that I hope help you. |
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gdh2_98
I tried to respond to the thread. Not sure it went through, so I sent two messages to you that give you some proof and a lot of records for your family. I will try to find your grandmother's birth record. |
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FamilySearchPoland
Hi Gail,
FYI: Pesa Appel / Bessie Appel lived until 1973. Her birth year is listed as 1902 in Tomaszow but that is a "projection" since we've never found a birth certificate. Only what my mother listed on the death certificate. |
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FamilySearchPoland
nr1teachers@... email there
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FamilySearchPoland
Gail do you mind emailing me at nr1teachers@... so I can directly ask a few questions share some more information.
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