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My genealogy search story #general


Sarah L Meyer
 

They also have a big sale around DNA day which is April 25.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Linda Kelley
 

Sarah’s suggestions are excellent. You can upload your autosomal DNA (FamilyFinder) to My Heritage to see additional matches. And absolutely, upload to GEDmatch.com, which accepts results from all the companies. Email me if you want help with the DNA and genealogy. I love helping other people.
There might be some naturalisations or other records in the UK that would give you clues.

Linda Wolfe Kelley
Portland, OR, USA


Andreas Schwab
 

Fascinating story. 
As your Jewish ancestors are from Germany, you should join the German Special Interest Group (GerSIG) inside Jewishgen. There is also a Facebook group you should join:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/GerSIGGermanJewishGenealogy/
The problem with German-Jewish genealogy is that it is very difficult to find ancestors if you don't know the town where these ancestors were born or died. Especially the maternal line is difficult because women change surnames when they marry. I would suggest you post the names and dates you have until now here and at GerSIG.


Deborah Blinder
 

Building on Sarah's comment: Family Tree DNA generally has a sale on their mtDNA tests around Mother's Day. You should check their website starting at the beginning of May. 
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Deborah Blankenberg (JewishGen ID #613395)
Lodi, CA
dtblankenberg@... 
Researching BLOCH/BLOCK (Germany to New York, Colombia and Missouri), BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris), KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)


Sarah L Meyer
 

 Joshua,
  If it was your maternal grandmother who was Jewish, I would suggest taking two FTDNA DNA tests.  First their family finder, which should give you matches on all sides of your family, but should help you sort out your situation.  Secondly, although this is generally not helpful for genealogy, their mtDNA test.  If you are fortunate enough to have one of the 4 highly Jewish mtDNA haplogroups that would satisfy the Israeli Rabbinate, that would solve your problem - and the Family Finder test would be gravy.  FTDNA is the only company that offers the full mtDNA test.  That said, watch for sales, and see if you can bundle the tests.  You would only need to contribute a single cheek swab sample.  While you are waiting to do that (I know others like other testing companies), you can continue to work on your paper trail, using Jewishgen's databases.   
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


joshuawhytepiano@...
 

Hi everybody,

I hope you will take the time to read my story.

I found out that I had Jewish family when I was almost 17 (19 years ago). My grandmother at the time, (that has been dead for many years now) who is my Mother's mother, was sick and while being with my Mum told her that we were Jewish and she had relatives and named names to my Mum that she had never heard before. Apparently German Jewish was the background.
 
My Mum was very surprised as she had never known this and was kept hidden from us all. After this happened I was watching the news at home in London and feeling pain watching a story on a recent terror attack in Israel. My Mum then mentioned what had happened with her and grandmother. This set off a spark inside that wanted to embrace this and know more.
 
This eventually became an obsession of mine. My first friend was Jewish who had family in Israel (although very Secular), which I ended up visiting in 2005, but before that I wanted to connect to Jews and Judaism. I was going through a very tough time in the early 00s as my parents had a terrible separation, but this journey was a strength for me and I was constantly in Golders Green (a vibrant Jewish area of London) everyweek, I also "randomly" started to meet and befriend Jews where ever I was it felt.
 
At the time when my grandmother was still alive, I tried to ask her questions about this but sadly she never wanted to talk about it or shrugged her shoulders and lit up cigarettes (she was a big smoker). She always said that she was Catholic the family years before she mentioning having Jewish ancestry. I kept asking trying to ask anyone I could, but nobody had an answer. Even my Mum (who is not really interested in Judaism or having Jewish ancestry that much) when I asked her several times through the years, it was "I can't remember everything grandmother said at the time" or "I think her grandfather Stephan was a German Jew..." and more recently "no! it was your grandmother's grandmother that was Jewish and Stephan was German...". 
 
This was and continues to be very confusing and frustrating for me. Because my Mum doesn't remember much and my Uncle the eldest of the siblings, had a bad relationship with my grandmother and also doesn't care regarding grandmother. And unfortunately, all the other older relatives have since passed away. 
 
But, I'll continue with this later... Back to the story... 
 
Once I went to university in the North of England in 2005, I got involved with the Chaplin Rabbi of the time and had my first real Shabbat experience. 
 
It blew my mind! And even though I didn't understand any of the blessings in Hebrew or what real Observance of Shabbat was, I felt very connected and it did not feel alien to me. 
 
As time went on I met lots of people in the Jewish student community and became close with the new Chaplin Rabbi and Chabad. During this time, I experience all the holidays and began to become observant, and experienced laying Teflillin. It was very special and I learned so much and began to grow. 
 
I wanted to investigate a little in my background because I wanted actual proof.
 
I managed to look a little into my grandmother's background until I found Stephan Camfield and Elizabeth Henrietta Dann, her grandparents. I was very sad because it saw that they married in an East London church in the 1890s and I felt like everything wasn't what I hoped for. I felt stuck and I had no help in this clarity. Although I did see that Elizabeth's Dad was Samuel Dann. 
 
It continued this way until I considered maybe doing some kind of conversion process just to be on the safe side. But, that ultimately did not happen as the pressure built up on me too much financially, the lack of knowing whether I'm Jewish or not and other issues. So in 2010 whilst living back in London, I dropped everything as I was so upset and not getting any help. I decided to go 'off the derech' and just live my life as a young man.
 
I met a Swedish girl in London through music connections, we were in a relationship for 3 years and at the end I moved to Stockholm (where I now currently live with my fiance) in 2013 to have a relationship with her, that eventually failed. During the end of that relationship I began to feel a strong pull back to Judaism after attending a Shabbat dinner at Chabad. This was in 2014, and what would be the beginning of my journey back to Judaism. During this time, I met my current fiance as I was going through this return and a close friend who brought me back into Torah Judaism. Since 2014, I have been studying so much, come back to Shabbat Observance and growing in my Kosher.
 
Besides this, one last thing I'll mention is going back to what I mentioned earlier... My mother about 4 years ago said that it was actually the grandmother of her mother that was Jewish and Stephan was the German. So this made me feel stronger and that it was more likely as she seemed more certain. 
 
I gained hope again but it still wasn't enough. 
 
I have realised that this whole journey has been amazing and yet very emotionally straining for me. I feel that for over 16 years now I have not had any clarity on this and I truly feel that I deserve to know once and for all so I can move on and plan my future accordingly. 
 
What my grandmother revealed to my mother was a huge thing and I do not for a second believe it was a coincidence. My life changed forever when I found out about having Jewish ancestry and the funny this is that about 2 years ago I found that my Dad is Jewish and that his Mom's family originally left Europe due to persecution and were Polish Jews. I met my old great uncle at a funeral and he confirmed this and can speak Yiddish. 
 
This was an extra source of strength for me, but didn't settle the main issue at hand. 
 
I need clarity and do not want to cry or feel stressed about it anymore. I'd be happy to give out as much info as I can regarding names and birthdays etc. But I have no paper work. 
 
Can anybody here help...?  
 
Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I'm sure it's not the first, but I really appreciate some feedback. 
 
May you all blessed with health, success and growth.
 
Joshua