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jsf
 

Hi,

I've subscribed here for about a year and really only lurk. I have no
skills as a genealogist. I really only know a few things about my
family which I'll put here. I would love some suggestions about how to
verify or correct these (mis?)perceptions about my origins.

1) my maternal grandfather Samuel Muhlbauer came over from the
austro-hungarian empire on a boat to NY around 1910 as a boy of 15
with his father, settling in Brooklyn.
2) my mother always told me that her father was:
2.1) hungarian (though my mother grew up speaking English and yiddish
- knew no Hungarian).
2.2) was a member of the 'kussover' (kossover?) society in brooklyn
2.3) was a member of the masonic temple
3) he married my maternal grandmother Fannie Geller who had been born
in Brooklyn Fannie had a younger brother named Jerry Geller.
4) my maternal grandfather's mother's (my maternal great grandmother)
first name was Molly/Mollie and her maiden name was 'Pearl' or 'Perl'.
5) supposedly, in the old country, the Perls owned an Inn. I don't
know anything about what the Muhlbauer's did.
5) I don't know for sure but I'm guessing that kossover society has
something to do with Kassa/Kosice?
6) I do know that while my mother Arlene Muhlbauer and her sister
Shirley Muhlbauer were growing up in Brooklyn (Williamsburg?) my
grandfather and grandmother (Fannie Muhlbauer née Geller) owned a
fabric store.

So.. I really have no idea(s) where to begin.. Any
advice/recommendations welcome. Happy Purim everyone!

J.


Sherri Bobish
 
Edited

Re:  Samuel Muhlbauer

I think this is the family on the 1940 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9MY-G326?i=8&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AK7MM-CCC

Try searching at www.familysearch.org for more census, and other documents.  In 1940 he is listed as Sam.
Surnames are often mispelled on census and other places, so try doing a non-exact surname search.

Regards,   Sherri Bobish   NJ, USA


RichardWerbin
 

Did Samuel have a brother named Max from Kossow, Austria? I found naturalization papers. Also 1920 Census.
Also parents named Benjamin & Bella also from Kossow.

Schlome Mahlbauer 15 & father Burech Mahlbauer 42 arrived 12 Nov 1913 on ship Prince Friedrich Wilhelm from Kossow, Galicia.

If this sounds right, email me and I will send images.


RichardWerbin
 

I think this might be Samuel's sister Ida Muhlbauer's marriage record.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24CB-PKD

Parents are listed as Benjamin Muhlbauer & Mollie Pearl.


RichardWerbin
 

I think these are your people.

Here is Schlome Muhlbauer 15 & father Baruch arriving 11 Nov 1913 from Kossow, Galicia
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNPR-3ZS

Here is father Benjamin / Baruch naturalization records 
Wife = Mollie
Children = Samuel born 12 June 1899 & Ida born 20 Aug 1907
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89MX-99WS-7?i=333&cc=1999177

Sister Ida's marriage.  20 Oct 1928 to Philip Grodin
Lists her mother as Molie Pearl and father as Benjamin
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24CB-PKD


Sarah L Meyer
 

Start with finding your families in the Census and other US records, such as naturalization, immigration etc.  You can do this using Ancestry.com ($), MyHeritage.com($) or FamilySearch.org (free).  Start making a family tree in genealogy software.  LegacyFamilyTree.com has a free basic version of its Legacy software - and a great user group on FB.  MyHeritage has a FamilyTree Builder which syncs with a tree on their site (however once you go over 250 people there is an annual fee).   RootsMagic has a free version as well.  My personal preference is Legacy although it is not as Jewish friendly as the other two, but it has more options.  Both MyHeritage and RootsMagic also have FB user groups, but they are not as active as the Legacy group, which almost always has employees monitoring the group and beta testers.  Once you have gotten your US roots for your family - include aunts/uncles cousins/grandparents etc - go wide, you don't know whose naturalization will lead to the passenger record and the appropriate location in the "old country"; then you can head to Jewishgen databases.

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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Renee Steinig
 

I'm not sure about Samuel, but to paraphrase Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady, "I can tell that his father was NOT born Hungarian!"

According to his Petition for Naturalization
Samuel's father, Benjamin or Baruch MUHLBAUER, was born in 1871 in Kosow -- a town then in Galicia, a crown land of the Austrian Empire. It's now in Ukraine (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1043044)Immigrants from Kosow founded the Progressive Kossower Benevolent Society, on whose grounds at Mount Carmel Cemetery in Queens, New York, Benjamin and his wife Mollie are buried. (See http://www.mountcarmelcemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment .) 

Benjamin arrived in the U.S. (his second time coming over) in Nov. 1913, traveling as Burech MUHLBAUER. With him was his 15-year-old son Schlome -- presumably your grandfather Sam.

Benjamin's NYC death record (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W5G-BD5) says that he died in Manhattan at age 71 and that his parents were Mandel MUHLBAUER and Chaie MILSTEIN. There's a good chance that he was the "Itzig Burch MUHLBAUER," born 1871 in Kosow, whose birth record is indexed on JRI-Poland.org .
On the other hand, Benjamin's wife may have been born in Hungary. A U.S. passport application filed in 1924 by "Molie" MUHLBAUER, wife of Baruch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DQ-RB4X?i=470&cc=2185145says that she was born in "Bystra, Hungary -- now Poland" (an unlikely change of borders) and that they were married there. BUT, Mollie's arrival record -- July 1914, with daughter Chaje, 7, later Ida (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9TX-32XF?i=50&cc=1368704&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJJQ5-5ZWlists last residence and birth place of both as Kosow. 

As for Samuel's birth place, records vary. His arrival record says that he was born in Kosow, his WWII draft card says "Bistrow," Hungary, the 1915 census says Austria, and the 1940 census says New York!

Joshua, you can see, it's not always easy to pinpoint place of origin, but I think you can feel certain of one thing: that Benjamin was a "Galitzianer."

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Joshua Freeman <jfreeman@...> wrote:

1) my maternal grandfather Samuel Muhlbauer came over from the
austro-hungarian empire on a boat to NY around 1910 as a boy of 15
with his father, settling in Brooklyn.
2) my mother always told me that her father was:
2.1) hungarian (though my mother grew up speaking English and yiddish
- knew no Hungarian).
2.2) was a member of the 'kussover' (kossover?) society in brooklyn
2.3) was a member of the masonic temple
3) he married my maternal grandmother Fannie Geller who had been born
in Brooklyn Fannie had a younger brother named Jerry Geller.
4) my maternal grandfather's mother's (my maternal great grandmother)
first name was Molly/Mollie and her maiden name was 'Pearl' or 'Perl'.
5) supposedly, in the old country, the Perls owned an Inn. I don't
know anything about what the Muhlbauer's did.
5) I don't know for sure but I'm guessing that kossover society has
something to do with Kassa/Kosice?
6) I do know that while my mother Arlene Muhlbauer and her sister
Shirley Muhlbauer were growing up in Brooklyn (Williamsburg?) my
grandfather and grandmother (Fannie Muhlbauer née Geller) owned a
fabric store.

So.. I really have no idea(s) where to begin. Any advice/recommendations welcome....


fredelfruhman
 

I can't help with information, but just wanted to give a shout out to the wonderful helpers here:    Less than 24 hours after the request was posted, the poster has received so many helpful replies!

Kol HaKavod.

--
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA


Pieter Hoekstra
 

[quote] [I can't help with information, but just wanted to give a shout out to the wonderful helpers here:    Less than 24 hours after the request was posted, the poster has received so many helpful replies!
Kol HaKavod. [/quote]

Amazingly prompt help Fredel. I wonder who else might have also responded had the OP included a name and location in the Topic title?


jbonline1111@...
 

My best advice beyond what has already been mentioned is to explore stevemorse.org.  He has many useful tools for searching naturalization, census and other records.  
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC