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Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?


Judy Kaufman
 

I am having a terrible time finding out where my great grandparents Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman come from.  Their names are just too common - I find multiple people with those names and around their birth dates on ship logs, in JewishGen data bases, etc.  And in censuses, marriage certificates, etc. they just say they're from "Russia." 

According to findagrave, they are both buried in the "Brisker plot" of Mount Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens.  (I know that Brisker is another name for the town of Brest, now in Belarus.)  Does this mean that at least one of them comes from the Brest area?

For those interested, some more details about my quest:

Jacob's sister is Annie Rosenblum (living with him in 1900 census) and she is equally difficult to track - I have found an Anna Rosenbloom of the right age married to a man Israel Pistchalsky/Pistchalsk/Pistchal from Kubrin, which is about 29 miles from Brest...  And her mother's given name on her death certificate is the given name (Jennie) of my grandmother (Annie's niece) so I'm tempted to declare that she is the right Anna Rosenblum, sister of Jacob, and that would be another connection to the Brest area, but I would like more evidence.

 I can't find a marriage certificate for Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman, and he died in NJ during the period when NJ death certificates are not available so I can't get his parents' names.

Anna Friedman's parents from her death certificate are Solomon Friedman and Sarah Cohen - again, way too common to help much with research...

Judy Kaufman

ROSENBLUM
FRIEDMAN
COHEN
LEIDERMAN (Khashchuvatye)
KONIPOL (Khaschuvatye)
WEINSTEIN (Sokolow-Malopolski)
RINENHEIM (Sokolow-Malopolski)
RASKIN (Chernigor)
SCHIMAYATZSKY(Chernigor)


Karen <kgschneider@...>
 

Judy, I don't know if having a photograph of the headstones would assist, but I see Mount Zion offers to take pictures if you send or call them with the location of the graves. Findagrave does not have the locations, but the cemetery's own website did provide them. And perhaps the cemetery might also be able to answer your question about what "Brisker" is referring to. You did not give the dates that Jacob and Anna died, but I assume these are the correct locations because they are the only ones in the Brisker section that you mentioned. 
Rosenblum, Jacob (Buried 12/1/1944) Location: 14R-7-60-627
Rosenblum, Anna (Buried 4/12/1938) Location:14R-7-22-627
You'll see you can pull these up  from the Mount Zion database search function: http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment

And then Mt. Zion's write-up in the Findagrave cemetery contains directions for requesting the photographs through the cemetery. Of course, you can also request photographs through Findagrave, but I do not know how long that would take for such a large cemetery: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/65385/mount-zion-cemetery 

Good luck,
Karen Gregar Schneider

Researching:
Gregar/Groger - Horepnik, Czechia and Amsterdam, New York
Popper - Amsterdam, New York


Renee Steinig
 

Hi Judy,

I saw on your tree on Ancestry that Jacob died in Nov. 1944. Indeed, that date falls within one of the periods for which New Jersey deaths are not indexed on Ancestry and FamilySearch, but the death record should be available. If you happen to live within range of Trenton, NJ, the best way to get it is to visit the NJ State Archives (https://libguides.njstatelib.org/genealogynjsl/njsa) -- once it reopens, that is; or find someone to search there for you. (The Archives doesn't respond to mail requests for that time period.) Alternatively, you should be able to order the record from the NJ Dept. of Health (https://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/order-vital/genealogical-records/). 

As Karen Schneider mentioned, a photograph of Jacob's grave might also be helpful. It may show Jacob's father's name, as part of his Hebrew name. It could also be interesting to know the Jewish name of your grandmother's brothers. Perhaps one was named for Jacob's father. (Per Annie Pistchal's death record on FamilySearch, her father was something like Churna. If Annie was indeed Jacob's sister, perhaps his son Charles was named for "Churna.")  Annie P.'s grave at Mount Judah Cemetery is pictured on JewishData; unfortunately, it has no Hebrew inscriptions.

As for the society on whose grounds Jacob and Anna are buried... It's the Brisker Unterstuetzungs Verein. A list of that landsmanshaft's members -- including your great-grandparents! -- is at https://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/lists/brisker_verein.htm . The society was formed by immigrants from what's now Brest, Belarus: https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1941830 .

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Judy Kaufman <judykaufman7@...> wrote:

I am having a terrible time finding out where my great grandparents Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman come from.  Their names are just too common - I find multiple people with those names and around their birth dates on ship logs, in JewishGen data bases, etc.  And in censuses, marriage certificates, etc. they just say they're from "Russia." 

According to findagrave, they are both buried in the "Brisker plot" of Mount Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens.  (I know that Brisker is another name for the town of Brest, now in Belarus.)  Does this mean that at least one of them comes from the Brest area?

For those interested, some more details about my quest:

Jacob's sister is Annie Rosenblum (living with him in 1900 census) and she is equally difficult to track - I have found an Anna Rosenbloom of the right age married to a man Israel Pistchalsky/Pistchalsk/Pistchal from Kubrin, which is about 29 miles from Brest...  And her mother's given name on her death certificate is the given name (Jennie) of my grandmother (Annie's niece) so I'm tempted to declare that she is the right Anna Rosenblum, sister of Jacob, and that would be another connection to the Brest area, but I would like more evidence.

I can't find a marriage certificate for Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman, and he died in NJ during the period when NJ death certificates are not available so I can't get his parents' names.

Anna Friedman's parents from her death certificate are Solomon Friedman and Sarah Cohen - again, way too common to help much with research...


Lin Mor
 

Unless you have proof in some other way to verify your theory, it is still a theory. But keep in mind that if it is not them, there is probably some connection. Case in point are my paternal grandparents. He was from Oshmyany and she was from Shchuchyn, both now in Belarus. Yet, they are buried in the Skidler Benevolent Association section of Beth David Cemetery, Elmont, NY. From research over time, including questioning very elderly relatives a long time ago, I learned that my grandmother's cousin, Elsie was married to Isodore Radin who came from Skidler. To make a long story short, my grandparents purchased two plots and are buried next to the Radins as well as Elsie's daughter, Frances Handsman and her husband.   


kobylarczyk.robert@...
 

Dear Judy,
Your family may even have roots in Tuszyn, Poland as the surname Rosenblum is here as well.

Please, write to me,

Robert Kobylarczyk,
kobylarczyk.robert@...
+48799077364


henrydneu
 

Judy Kaufman:

My experience: 

My ancestors from the region of Brest generally didn't seem to want to leave traces. Maybe they didn't think their individual lives were merited recording.  

It seem that people from small towns sometimes (often?) reported their place-of-origin as being the nearest big city.  

The case of "Brest" is special:  it was the name of both the city and of a region. It's a big region.  Your ancestors may have lived in the core of old Brest or in a village quite a distance away.

U.S. burials: My grandparents were buried in the 1950s in a Bialystok landsmanshaft section in a New York cemetery, despite having no detectable connection to Bialystok.  (There's no record of their showing interest in their places-of-origin or connecting to their landsmen in any respect.)   My theory:  They --or their children-- got a bargain price on these plots at a convenient nearby cemetery. 

Hope this is useful to you.

Thanks,

Henry

Henry Neugass

KIRZNER:  Kletsk
GRYNFELD, ZUBOFF (and variants): Wysokie Litewskie


Judy Kaufman
 

Thanks, everyone.  I have now really good confirming evidence that my great-grandfather, Jacob Rosenblum, came from Brest, thanks especially to Renee Steinig's help above.  She linked me to the a Brisker Unterstuetzungs Verein webpage which has a list of all the members in 1925, including my great-grandfather's name.  I also found the naturalization papers of his sister's husband, in which the husband says that his wife, Jacob's sister, is from Brest.


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Both of my Grosser great -grandparents were board members of a burial group from Makhnovka but neither was from there. They and several of their children are buried in the society’s plots. The connection was that their daughter’s husband’s mother was from Makhnovka. Given how many of my relatives are in the society’s plots( but the daughter and her husband, my grandparents, are not there) I could have thought that branch of my family was from Makhnovka. They were not.