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genealogy forums in russian to overcome brick wall in research? #ukraine #russia


JUROVSKY,Catherine
 

I came to a brick wall sarching for my Yurovskii ancestors. They come from Lubny (in the Poltava region) which was the site of a mass shooting (no vital records or cemetry left
 Luckily I discovered on the Yad Vashem that one brother of my grand father Lazar, his wife Olga and their daughter Karina have been evacuated from Karakubstroy (now Ksomoslkye in the Dombass region) to Magnitogorsk in the Urals. I have tried to research them but to no avail (Ancestry, Myheritage, genanet....). A friend suggested the archives in Donetsk (closed for the time being).  I thought of genealogy forum in russian ? or else if anybody has an idea of a research tool. Any idea is welcome.

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boris
 

Trying genealogy forums in Russian is an excellent idea because English-based web sites like Ancestry and Myheritage have little to no information about Soviet Russia and other Soviet republics. Most participants in Russian language forums are as willing to help as those on JewishGen (of course, few pompous asses always come with the territory but they can be ignored).  For non-Russian speakers, if a question, a point, or an idea are expressed in short simple sentences, then the online translators will do pretty good job conveying the essence of a request.

 

Regarding Donetsk, it is still a war zone. Remember the Crimean Peninsula takeover by the Russians? The hostilities are still not over.  One unfortunate outcome of the war specifically for genealogists was that since 2014 the Russians terminated the access from Ukraine to social media sites based in Russia. So, a question posted on a “Russian” forum may not be visible to those who are physically in Ukraine.

 

If Lazar Yurovsky was an engineer, or a manager at a plant or a mine in Donbass and later in the Urals, he may be mentioned in one of the many books about Jewish contribution to the Soviet war efforts. These books were published mostly in Israel, but some in the USA and in Russia in the last 30 years.


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yelena.v.volk@...
 

The best russian forum in jewish genealogy is www.forum.j-roots.info
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yelena.v.volk@...
 

Catherine,

I didn't find a record of Olga's evacuation in Yad Vashem site, only Lazar and Karina (the child).
When I searched there Yurovski from Lubny, Krivoy Rog and Zolotonosha, I found questionnaires submitted by Joseph Kaminsky (in 1997) and Isabella Kaminsky (in 2011). They both lived in Israel. The questionnaires have their address. You may try to find them or their descendants in Israel. I am sure that all people of this surname from Lubna and Krivoy Rog and Zolotonosha are all relatives.

You now do not known whether Lazar and his daughter Karina stayed in Magnitogorsk or returned after the war. If they have preserved some documents in the archive (in Magnitogorsk or Donetsk or elsewere) and these documents are younger than 75 years old, you can not accessed to them.
You can try to find out where Lazar worked in Magnitogorsk. This information may be in a card that stored in the Red Cross Search Center in Moscow. There may also his address in Magnitogorsk in 1942. But now the Red Cross and all our archives are closed for quarantine.

Elena Volk


yelena.v.volk@...
 

Catherine,

I didn't find a record of Olga's evacuation in Yad Vashem site, only Lazar and Karina (the child).
When I searched there Yurovski from Lubny, Krivoy Rog and Zolotonosha, I found questionnaires submitted by Joseph Kaminsky (in 1997) and Isabella Kaminsky (in 2011). They both lived in Israel. The questionnaires have their address. You may try to find them or their descendants in Israel. I am sure that all people of this surname from Lubna and Krivoy Rog and Zolotonosha are all relatives.

You now do not known whether Lazar and his daughter Karina stayed in Magnitogorsk or returned after the war. If they have preserved some documents in the archive (in Magnitogorsk or Donetsk or elsewere) and these documents are younger than 75 years old, you can not accessed to them.
You can try to find out where Lazar worked in Magnitogorsk. This information may be in a card that stored in the Red Cross Search Center in Moscow. There may also his address in Magnitogorsk in 1942. But now the Red Cross and all our archives are closed for quarantine.

Elena Volk


Alex Girshovich
 

The two main Russian-speaking forums that I use are Jewish roots https://forum.j-roots.info/ and Genealogy Forum VGD https://forum.vgd.ru/.
Both are fully accessed from all over the world, including Ukraine.
As for the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, there are blocking measures from both sides. Russians block Ukrainians from accessing Russian sites, while Ukrainians block themselves from accessing Russian sites. Genealogy wise, the majority of forums are in Russia for various reasons. And of course, there are many Facebook groups which serve as a sort of genealogy forums.

Alex Girshovich.


JUROVSKY,Catherine
 

Dear Yellena
Thank you very much for your answer.
I will write to the red cross. Can I do it by email or is it only by mail.Do you have any ideal about the lifting of quarantine in russia? In France we will open all shops on May 11 and people will be able to go back to work and go out. Of course I do not know if the Archives will open up as well !!

Concerning the Kaminski to be sure i fully inderstand they have submitted testimonies for Yurovskiis coming from these 3 towns? and their address is on those testimonies? The 3 towns are quite distant. How are you sure they are related?

As far as Lazar and Karina are concerned I only have what is at Yad Vashem. I only recently discovered their existence in the naturalization file of my grand father Naum Israel Benzion "Jurovsky" in France. The file dates back from 1932. For 4 years the naturalisation files were not available to researchers due to termite ridden premises.

Best regards and stay safe.
Catherine


JUROVSKY,Catherine
 

Hello Bris
Thank you very much. I have created an account on jroots and will post some requests with the help of my russian teacher (I am a first year student !!)
I fully understand the impact of the war in the Dombass even though I did not know social media  forums had been cut. in fact I had requested some help to find them to an ukrainian researcher as I did not realize that Karakubstroy was the war area! She was duly offended by my request and I had to apologize !

I would not be able to read these books you mention, not being fluent in either hebrew or russian, of which I am really sorry about ! Could you give me more information about them! Very best regards
Catherine
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