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Fisher Headstone Translation #translation


David Prater
 

Hello,
 
Could some body please translate the words on the attached headstone picture?
 
How are the names "Eliahu ben Zvi" and "Alexander Fisher" connected?
 
What name would Alexander use in any records found in the Pale of Settlement?
 
Thank you!
 


Diane Jacobs
 

 

 


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Possibly Sender.

 

Diane Jacobs

Hello,

 

Could some body please translate the words on the attached headstone picture?

 

How are the names "Eliahu ben Zvi" and "Alexander Fisher" connected?

 

What name would Alexander use in any records found in the Pale of Settlement?

 

Thank you!

 

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Diane Jacobs


tsvikaroz@...
 

Dear David,
The Hebrew inscription on this headstone is of the given name (Eliyahu) and name of father (Tsvi), without the surname.
In many cases Jews in the diaspora adopt or given a non-Jewish first name, while keeping their Jewish first name (sometimes even in a non-formal way).
My guess is that the name ALEXANDER is the non-Jewish name chosen due to some phonetic resemblance to Eli (which is the short form of Eliyahu).
Q: "What name would Alexander use in any records found in the Pale of Settlement"?
A: In case that ALEXANDER is a name added upon immigration, I would look for Eliyahu אליהו - Most likely = ILLIYA /ELLIYA or ELI  (His father: Tsvi צבי = TSVI/ ZVI/ HIRSH/ HERSH/ GERSH/ /GERSHON/ GRISHA/ GREGORI)

Good luck with your search.
Tsvi ROZENBLAT
Herzliya, ISRAEL


Ury Link
 

Dear Genners
 
The only connection between the name Eliahu and the name  Alexander are the leters Alef-Lamed
or in Hebrew אליהו and אלכסנדר
But ,what I don’t understand is that the name Elijahu and the name Alexander are Holly names,
“Shem Kodesh” שם קודש. It was usual to change a Holly name to a secular name that use the same first later
a sample: Abraham was changed to Albert, Moshe to Moris, Gershon to Gerhard and more.
 
Alexander sometimes was change to Sander,Sender, Axelrod,Zand, Zender and more names.
but this names are nor realy a chang of the name, the only shorted the origin name Alexander.
 
Best regards
 
Ury Link
Amsterdam
Holland
 
 


malkikatz9361@...
 

Hello David,
I agree with the Hebrew translation, but not the Alexander name adoption theory, my grandmother was surname Alexander and in Poland the surname Alexanderowicz going back to around 1800, Alexanderowicz simply means 'of Alexander', my understanding is yes it is a very Western name, but Alexander the Great was much admired by old time Jews as he was considered a friend and protector and many Jews in the 18th and 19th Century were name Alexander long before they came to Western countries.
So would disagree Alexander is a Jewish name for some time.

Regards,
Malcolm Katz
London


Chuck Weinstein
 

Alexander was his secular name. There is no connection between the names.  He could have been Eliyahu or he could have been Sender or some other variant of Alexander.

Chuck Weinstein
chuck1@... 


Dr.Josef ASH
 

FISHER was their (common) surname.
I think im the Pale records he would appear Tzvi.
this tomb is new one (shure not from 1908). may be you can ask the descendance who had built it?


Dr.Josef ASH
 

Mr Eliahu was the son of Mr Tsvu. His, Eliahu's, loving children built this tomb, supposedly many years after him passed away


Sheryl Prenzlau
 

People named Alexander are often called Sender


fredelfruhman
 

There might not necessarily be a "connection" between the names.  Often, people would have a Hebrew name and a secular name that are totally different.

That being said, if you are looking for his father:  The Hebrew name Tzvi often went together with the secular name of Hersh or Hirsch or similar.

And, if the secular date of death would be helpful to you:  The Hebrew date is the 24th of Tamuz, 5668.  This corresponds to July 22/23, 1908.
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Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA


btkerman@...
 

Alexander can be a given "Hebrew" name (not just an adopted or given secular name in addition to a Hebrew name). In this case since his name in Hebrew was Eliyahu it appears Alexander was taken on as a secular name.
The history of the name being given to Jews is fascinating, here is something from Aish.com explaining it.
"Alexander
This name originated with Alexander the Great, King of Macedonia. The Talmud relates that upon meeting the High Priest of the Temple in Jerusalem, Alexander dismounted and bowed to him. (Alexander rarely, if ever, bowed to anyone.) Alexander explained that he had seen the High Priest in a dream, which he interpreted as a good omen. Alexander thus peacefully absorbed the Land of Israel into his growing empire. In tribute, the Sages decreed that Jewish boys born that year (333 BCE) be named Alexander. It remains a popular Jewish name today. (variation: Sender)"

Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD