ship records back to Europe from New York #usa


I have a ship record for my maternal grandfather, Josef WEINER, from Europe to New York. I'm looking for the return passage back to Europe. Are these records available?
There's much discussion in our family as to how long he stayed before going back to his family. He couldn't convince them and they ultimately most perished.
He departed Hamburg 10/31/1907 arrived Southampton/Cherbourg, New York on 'The Amerika.' 

thanks for your help    Lisa B       <n2dzine2@...>

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Molly Staub

I had a similar situation with my paternal grandfather. he lived in Dumbraveni, Moldova, and sailed to New York from Liverpool to join family in Philadelphia. The family story is that he was mugged, had a steel plate inserted in his head, and had amnesia. He eventually returned home because he learned his father was dying, and he died in Dumbraveni. However, no one knew how long he had stayed in America. At our Jewish Genealogy of Palm Beach County meeting, we had a speaker from HIAS. For $35, he located my grandfather returning through England after 10 years, having changed his name from Einoch to Emil. You might be as lucky if you try that.

Molly Arost Staub    <staubmolly@...>


Hi  Lisa B       <n2dzine2@...>

Do you only have the record from the Hamburg Passenger lists or also the record of the arrival in New York?
On the Passenger Manifest of the arrival in New York, there must be a second page which contains useful information.
Did you search for his entries in the United States census lists? New York has some for 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1930,
the other States for 1910, 1920, 1930. You can find all this records on familysearch.
As far as I know records for the travel back to Europe can only be found on ancestry, and only if he changed ship in Great Britain.

Regards,   Corinne Iten   <itencorinne@...>

David Oseas

There is very little in the way of records available on so-called "Birds of passage", who returned to Europe.  The only collections that I'm aware of are located at NARA in Philadelphia -- see the article  "NARA Coast to Coast: Emigration Records at the National Archives at Philadelphia, Part 1" (I don't think they ever got around to publishing Part 2):

You may get lucky and find their outbound journey at a connecting port, such as LIverpool -- try searching for them on a site that specializes in European records, such as FindMyPast.

Regards,   David Oseas    <doseas@...>

Researching:     HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York   STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles  KRONOWITH: Hungary > New York
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles    SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York      WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


Sorry, he came from Kisvarda, Hungary and would have returned to the same. 


Yes, I’ve looked at census reports on Ancestry but didn’t find any records. On the Hamburg passenger list, I only have the one page from ‘Ancestry.’ Living in Utah now, I suppose I could try to get the record from microfilm, once things ‘open up.’
I’m not sure if he stayed with a family member already living in NY. The most likely would have been one of his ‘sister-in-laws,’ the only one who came, stayed, and survived from that generation. 

I can also look at ship manifests for the ‘Amerika’ for that date.


Hi Lisa

The Hamburg Passenger lists don't have a second page, but the New York Passenger and Crew Lists, which you should find on familysearch for free.
On this second page should be mentionned a person (relative or friend) with address in the United States, maybe you'll find this person in the census.
I tried to find the New York Passenger and Crew List but there are to many Josef WEINER, so I don't know which is the right one.

Regards,   Corinne Iten



I found passenger lists from NY City to the UK many years ago, I believe on but I assume most other family search record providers would also have them now.