Help on serveral ukrainian ancesters #ukraine


Chuck Weinstein
 

I am not sure what you find puzzling.  There were known to be many documents in the Simferopol and Sevastopol Archives before 2014.  They covered large areas of the Crimean Peninsula.  Records include census (Revision Lists), birth, marriage, divorce, and death records, as well as others.  Access has been denied since 2014.

The political status of Crimea has been a subject of a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia. Russian forces seized Crimea by force in 2014. Russia then annexed Crimea in 2014 following a referendum, and administers it as two federal subjects of Russia, and claimed it to be 'fully integrated' in July 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Crimea.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division
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janeliss@...
 

Dear Chuck,

 

With all due respect I must say that your comment is puzzling.

 

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea:

"In 1783, Crimea was annexed by the Russian Empire as the result of the Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774). Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became an autonomous republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. During World War II, Crimea was downgraded to the Crimean Oblast after its entire indigenous population, the Crimean Tatars, were deported to Central Asia, an act recognized as a genocide by Ukraine and 3 other countries. In 1954, it was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR from the Russian SFSR.[6]

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was reestablished as an independent state in 1991, and most of the peninsula was reorganized as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, while the city of Sevastopol retained its special status within Ukraine. The 1997 Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet partitioned the former Soviet Black Sea Fleet and allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Crimea: both the Ukrainian Naval Forces and Russian's Black Sea Fleet were to be headquartered in Sevastopol. Ukraine extended Russia's lease of the naval facilities under the 2010 Kharkiv Pact in exchange for further discounted natural gas."

As far as Crimean archive concerned, at least one vessel on a mission to evacuate archived documents was sank as a result of bombing by Germans.

Jane Liss


 


Chuck Weinstein
 

Just to be clear, prior to 1991, there really was no practical difference between Russia and Ukraine.  Although Ukraine S. S. R. was nominally an independent country from 1919, it was completely controlled by Russia, who determined its boundaries.  Crimea was ceded by the Russian Soviets to Ukraine in 1954, but was reconquered and annexed by Russia in 2016.  Presently, there is no access to archives in Crimea.  It is considered by Russia to be a security zone.  The few records on line are all there are likely to be for some time.  

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division
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janeliss@...
 

Dear Sébastien,

I read your posting with big interest since I'm looking for my ancestors from Crimea. Even though none of the names are familiar to me, I have a comment. Why you say "ukrainian"? Crimea became a part of Ukraine in 1954; in 19th century it was a part of Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea

Regards,
Jane Liss
New York

Looking for TEMCHIN, Finkel from Kerch, Odessa, Pinsk (Poland), Vilno (Vilnius) (Lithuania)


webseb
 

Dear all,
 
I am sure some of you will be able to give me informations one of these ancestors of mine, here are all informations I can give you about them:
 
STERNBERG Joseph: russian from Odessa, according to familial story he would have been something like 1st attorney of the Imperial Court of Odessa, lost his job after the Revolution, worked at the reception of an hotel before dying.
 
STEIFELER Esther: His wife, left Odessa with 3 children Guenady (my grand-father), Gregory and Malvina. They lived in Turquey for 2 years before reaching Paris and settle there.
 
HANOWER Mosjek Lejba: father of my grand-father Guenady's first wife sara Symcha Hanover (died in the extermination camps)
 
SZNAJDERMAN Fajga Laja: Polish, mother of my grand-father Guenady's first wife Sara Symcha Hanower (died in the extermination camps)
VERBA Isaac: father of VERBA Isidore Alexandre who was born in Novoconstantinow, Ukraine
 
GROSS Sarah: father of VERBA Isidore Alexandre, would have been German
 
HAIMOVITCH Joseph: father of Sarah HAIMOVITCH who was born in 1872 in Eupatoria, Crimea
 
POPITCH Olga: mother of Sarah HAIMOVITCH
 
MANACHEVITCH Hirsch: father of Victor MANACHEVITCH who was born 15 nov 1866 in Simferopol, Crimea
 
Victor MANACHEVITCH and Sarah HAIMOVITCH had  at least 4 children in Eupatoria (Hana 1892, Dora 1893, Rissa 1895 and Bluma 1896) before reaching France 
 
Any help to find informations about all these people would be very appreciated!
 
Many thanks from Paris to you all,
Sébastien Torio