Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general
I know it's common in many families for older relatives to be referred to honorifically as "aunt" and "uncle" when they're not literally the aunt or uncle of the person addressing them. Were there similar instances in which there were honorific "nephews" who were really younger cousins?
Erika Gottfried, Teaneck, NJ <erikagottfried53@...>
All the best,
Miriam BULWAR DAVID-HAY,
So, if you don't see an obvious relationship, there possibly isn't one. Though, without further research its hard to draw definite conclusions.
Central Virginia, USA
searching KONIGSBERG/KINIGSBERG, TERNER, MOLDAUER, SCHONFELD - Kolomyya PLATZ - DELATYN. All Galicia.
BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris),
KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)
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My maternal grandparents were German Jews, my grandfather's family were from Westphalia and Lower Saxony, my grandmother's from Posen Province, Prussia; later Breslau (Wrocław, lower Silesia) and Berlin. I've seen the term "Vetter" (strictly speaking, cousin) applied quite loosely to more distant relatives. Also parents' cousins (even second cousins and inlaws) called "uncle" and "aunt"; I remember meeting my mother's "tante Reine" who after some digging turned out to be my mother's aunt's husband's sister-in-law's sister. Take a deep breath and read that again slowly. There was also a couple who were probably only business relations, but also friends, of my grandfather's generation, who my mother and uncle called "aunt" and "uncle".
So my grain of salt is: if anyone was calling someone "aunt" or "uncle" they would sign "nephew" or "niece".
Nicole Heymans, near Brussels, Belgium
Endogamy in Jewish families made (and makes) for multiple ways in which family members are related. My great-grandfather Avrohom’s first wife Esther died after having four daughters. Then, following a custom of the time, Avrohom married Esther’s younger sister Liba and had eight more children, one of the eight being my grandfather Jacob. Then Esther’s eldest daughter Sarah Malke married her mother’s brother Aron – that is, Sarah Malke married her uncle, a marriage allowed under religious law. Sarah Malke and Aron had eight children. As a result, my grandfather can be viewed as both an uncle and a cousin to those children – an uncle on their mother’s side (since he is Sarah Malke’s ¾ brother) and a first cousin on their father’s side (since his mother Liba is a sister to Sarah Malke’s mother Esther). When I was growing up, I could not figure out why so many people in our family’s “cousins’ club” called my grandfather “Uncle Jake” – I thought this was a title placed on him due to his age. But, when we sorted out the relationships in the family, It was clear he was the uncle of these people (and granduncle to their children) as well as their cousin.
Teaneck, New Jersey
probably not true, we inverstigated further. What was originally written was in Yiddish and said "Schwester sohn" This is litterally ;"Sister's son" which would be a nephew.
However, we found out from an expert at YIVO that this was old terminology that was, in fact, used for a cousin.
Hope this helps. Stay well.
Avivah R. Z. Pinski
near Philadelphia, USA
Researching: Zuchman in Sarnaki, Karczew, Warsaw Poland
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Rifczes in Lemberg, Vienna
Kopekin in Polatsk,& Besonkovich in Belarus
Familiant & Koifman in Bessarabia and Ukraine
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