Jewish gauchos Argentina #latinamerica
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Michael Sharp
A uncle of my mother was a gaucho in Argentina but moved to Manchester UK to find a wife. We don't know where in eastern Europe he came from but assume he lived in one of the Hirsch colonies in Argentina. Does anyone know of any searchable databases containing vital records, census or immigration data for the colonies?
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Alberto Guido Chester
Hi there
As far as I know, there are no databases (neither lists) of Jewish colonists in Argentina.
If your relative came to Argentina, the only database of arrivals is located at https://cemla.com/buscador/
Notice it is 1.incomplete due to lack of some of the original books, 2. does not have Soundex capabilities.
This means you should search the surname with several spellings thinking like a Spanish speaking clerk in the 1900´s...so be creative.
Your assumption that this uncle was a colonist seems too vague, except if he came in the 1890´s
After the initial Baron de Hirshc efforts, thousands of Jews first from Russia and later from Poland came to Argentina.
Maybe he did economically well here, and had a business ? There are business guides, usually used by immigrants where he could advertise.
You dont mention if he came back to Argentina after finding a wife in Manchester.
You can look for Jewish burials at https://amia.org.ar/sepelioscomunitarios/busqueda-de-sepulturas/
Notice it is 1. incomplete, 2. at the end of the form there are several cemeteries listed, check in each one, 3. these cemeteries serve people living in Greater Buenos AIres city, NOT the numerous Jewish communities in the vast interior of the country and 4 the search engine does not have a Soundex capability.
Hope this helps
Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Mitchell Collier
Borrowing some resources mentioned in other threads:
CEMLA (https://cemla.com/) Argentina Immigrants Database Search: https://cemla.com/buscador/
This private Facebook group is very helpful (request to join, then you can post). Post in English and use the translate link to read the Spanish responses Grupo de AGJA "Paul Armony" https://www.facebook.com/groups/Gen.Judia.AR/?ref=bookmarks AGJA on the web consultas.agja@...
Families from Mstibovo who immigrated to Argentina around the turn of the last century https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/mscibow/MigrateA.html
Search for Jewish surnames Website for researching the origin and meaning of the Jewish surnames and finding relatives in Argentina. https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/search
Mitchell Collier ---------------------------------- Original message: Jewish gauchos Argentina #latinamerica
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Yoni Kupchik
JewishGen is currently working on a database of all the Jewish settlers in the colonies of the Baron Hirsch in Argentina. The first batch of data was sent to JewishGen for publication a long time ago, I hope it will be uploaded soon. In any case, I am leading this project and you can write me privately with any question. Yoni Kupchik |
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cesar465y@...
Hi, Last year I looked for info about my family and discovered that the Jewish Colonization Asociation (JCA) had a very strong filing system of almost everythig: letters, telegraphs, draft notes, lists of emigrants from East Europe to South and North America, ships, detailed list of colonies and colonists, etc. It runs from 1870's till 1950's. If your mother's uncle contracted with the JCA by any kind of way, it is probably to find some hint about him. On the other side, if he did it "his way" and decided not to contact JCA, may be that there are no signs about him. A copy of the archive is at The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People in Jerusalem. Just very little of all the material has been scanned and a more little part is online. My experiance with CEMLA is not good. The index system is very strict and every new search asks to insert a captcha code. Most burial registers from AMIA are indexed in JG. If you have any name you can contact me and I'd try to help you based in my experiance. Most probably that it will demand a personal search in the archives, but they are closed now because the COVID. Cesar Yeudkin Israel |
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angel kosfiszer
Can you tell me what years of colonization were submitted to JewishGen ?
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Susana Rubin
Hi Michael,
You could write to Estela Rapoport at consultas.agja@.... AGJA is the Argentinean Genealogic Jewish association. The JCA files and the 1912 census of the colonies may shed some light. Estela has access to them. The "sepelios" files from the AMIA are difficult to search because they do not have SOUNDEX. But the same information is in JOWBR JewishGen database with SOUNDEX. I could not find my great-grandfather in the AMIA files, but I did find him in JOWBR with the command "sounds like". Good search, Susana Rubin Ottawa, Canada |
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barbara hershey <barbara.hershey@...>
I have not seen this entire thread so am not sure if this is what you are looking for. I volunteered and transcribed records that were about colonists in Argentina in places like Moisesville. I seem to have my spreadsheets but not my email messages. I do not recall who was leading this initiative. Based on the properties of the spreadsheet, this was done in the summer of 2014. It’s likely I read about it on the Jewishgen Discussion list, so perhaps searching that archive might find something. I know this was just one of the locations in Argentina were eastern European Jews were settled. I don’t off-hand know the other names.
Perhaps the person that worked on these records might read this and respond.
When I googled “Moisesville” I found that it is now known as Moíses Ville. There is a Kehillalinks page: https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Mscibow/katzovits.html This link is to a Wiki page about the place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mois%C3%A9s_Ville. There were many other sites listed when I googled.
By the way, I have no personal interest in this place but just chose to do this transcribing because I could connect to using Spanish.
Barbara Hershey, Portland, Oregon, USA |
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ginapat7@...
I grew up hearing that my maternal grandfather was a gaucho on the Argentine pampas. Though my grandmother's brother did go from Bessarabia to near Mendoza, my grandfather ultimately operated a furniture store in Montevideo, Uruguay! Look at nearby cities and ports of entry in your search.
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Marion Werle
You might try to check the Hamburg passenger list database ("Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934") on Ancestry.com. If your ancestor left for Argentina on a ship from Hamburg (as one of my great grandmother's cousins did), he may be listed there. Be advised that the name spellings (and town of residence) would use German spelling.
Marion Werle <canadagenes@...> Los Angeles, CA "A uncle of my mother was a gaucho in Argentina but moved to Manchester UK to find a wife. We don't know where in eastern Europe he came from but assume he lived in one of the Hirsch colonies in Argentina. Does anyone know of any searchable databases containing vital records, census or immigration data for the colonies?" |
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Ariel Parkansky
Hi Michael,
In addition to all the other answers that you have already received you can contact the "Museo de las Colonias Judias de Entre Rios" (https://es-la.facebook.com/museo.villadominguez/) who has a huge archive related to the people living in the colonies.
Also, if your relative arrived in Argentina through the JCA program, you can contact the Jewish Museum of Buenos Aires (http://museojudio.org.ar/) who has the archives with the JCA passenger lists.
Best,
Ariel Parkansky
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