Departure from the U.S. #general


Crivorot, Sergio
 

My grandfather emigrated from Opatow, Poland (Russia at that time) to Brazil in 1914. We knew that he had arrived at the very beginning of the First World War. recently I got some documents and a copy of passengers manifest of the vessel that brought him to Brazil, in August 1914.

To my surprise, he came on the British vessel Vauban that sailed from New York approximately on July 25, 1914. Other members of the family that came in other dates all sailed from some European port. So I am wondering about a few things that maybe you would like to speculate or answer affirmatively for me:
  • Was this a usual route - sailing from Europe to the US and then to South America ? Sounds expensive for a third class passenger
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  • Would have he lived in the US for a while ? Did he need a visa to arrive to the US in 1914 from Russian Poland ? Maybe this was just a case of immediate connection (the boat sailed Europe - NY - Rio) and he didn't even leave the boat
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  • What is the best way to find traces of his stay in or transit through NY ? I have always read several of you discussing US arrivals, but I never paid much attention as it didn't relate to my family history, but now I am curious about what happened
  
Any speculation is welcome.

Sergio Crivorot

researching
Opatow, Poland - WROCLAVSKI, WAJC/WAJS
Opole, Poland - ZYLBERSTAJN, SILBERMAN
Moldova - KRIVOROT, LIPOVETSKY, YANKELEVICH


Barbara Ellman
 

Sergio asked :" Was this a usual route - sailing from Europe to the US and then to South America ? Sounds expensive for a third class passenger ".  Many ships headed to South America went through New York.  My gggrandfather did so in 1895.  I suspect that the money route for the shipping company was from Europe to the US, not to South America.  
Check the manifest to see the sailing date going to South America and the arrival date in NY.  You will see how long the ship was in port in the US. 
If this doesn't show that the ship arrived and left within a day or two, look for the manifest on which he arrived in the US.  This manifest would show who he was going to with a name and address..  Unless you know that he was in NY for a length of time, I don't see much use of looking for where he may have stayed.

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Barbara Ellman
Secacuus NJ USA

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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
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