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Geni and Family Search #general


Marilyn Feingold
 

How reliable  is the information on Geni and Family Search.? Is one more reliable than the other? Thanks. Marilyn Feingold


Dahn Cukier
 

Hello,

Back in the 1980s I gave a cousin a GED file of about 600 people.
This was of my other's 2 families and my father's 4 grandparent's
families - in total 6 families.

Although she has listed my grandfather, his family is not one that interests her,
and in the last 30 years I've found more information, conflicting
information from what was available in the 1980s.

I know the information is on 2 sites, but I ma no longer interested
in correcting them. I will share listings with any relative, but
no longer GED files and my listings warn that the information
may be incorrect and should be verified if used.

A major problem other than everyone had the same given name,
many had the same family name and were born in the same year.
Saul J. of NJ and Saul J. of NY were born in the same year, one mother
was named Rose, the other had an older sister named Rose. NY Saul J
did not know his birthday so celebrated 2 dates.

I was watching Gunsmoke when Festus said something I did
not understand when I was younger, but now know what he meant.

Dani


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 08:46:33 PM GMT+3, Marilyn Feingold <marigold8672@...> wrote:


How reliable  is the information on Geni and Family Search.? Is one more reliable than the other? Thanks. Marilyn Feingold


Alyssa Freeman
 

Like any other  genealogy group, it all depends on what the source of the information is. If it comes from official records, such as social security or a census, that's a lot more reliable than it coming from someone's tree. Obviously, the person with the name in the tree could have gotten it from a source, as well. That being said, if you search for someone on Family Search, you can search exclusively by records. Geni likely has the same records My Heritage does as they're owned by the same company.
 
Alyssa Freeman
Henrico, VA
FAVILYUKIS (Odessa), DIKERMAN, BOTNIK (Bessarabia), LEVANISKY, GORDON, KALLNER, FRIEMAN, KOHN  (Lithuania), KAPLINSKY, KAHAN/COHEN (Belarus), SUSSMAN, FREIMAN (Galicia)


martyn@...
 

The sources used by My Heritage and Geni seem generally to consist only of what can be read on their subscribers' family trees. No genuine sources but you can build a tree of 50,000 people in a week or two and claim ancestry from King Alfred, Tutankhamen or the Queen of Sheba. All a lot of  nonsense.


Alyssa Freeman
 

      I take issue with the majority of sources on My Heritage and Geni being from trees. Both sides have Social Security, Census, birth, death, and marriage records and public records, among others. They're not perfect and it's harder to find evidence for ancestors who lived their entire lives outside an English speaking country, but that's where Jewish Gen and Family Search can be helpful.  My main tree is on MH. I don't have record matches for every single person, but I do have them for a lot of them. With Geni, even though Geni is linked to My Heritage, I find a lot of errors, since their goal is to make one giant family tree of the Jewish people and you can edit someone else's tree. However, I've gotten a lot of relatives from other people's trees there that have had record matches come up once I add them to My Heritage. I have found some famous people in my tree - no kings or queens but a couple of artists, musicians, and writers - and I've verified all them. Only one of them had I ever heard of before. Only once did one turn out to be wrong, and it was someone I got from a tree in Geni. 
     My mom uses Ancestry. She finds things that I haven't and I find things that she hasn't and we sometimes correct each other, so I'd say those two are about equal. Family Search tends not to have as many living relatives in their records from foreign countries but they do have records from many other countries - except Israel. My guess as to why is because FS is run by the Mormons.
 
Alyssa Freeman
Henrico, VA
FAVILYUKIS, BOTNIK, DIKERMAN, SUSSMAN, KALLNER, FRIEMAN, FREIMAN, KAPLINSKY, LEVANISKY, GORDON, MARKEL, SHACHAR, SHAPIRO


Max Heffler
 

I enjoy using geni/MyHeritage and Ancestry to bounce back and forth, filling in many records and blanks, but it does consume a significant amount of time. I have over 21500 hints on outstanding on Ancestry. More blanks filled in present more record hints. I have less than 1300 record and tree matches left on MyHeritage.


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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:59 AM
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Geni and Family Search #general
 
      I take issue with the majority of sources on My Heritage and Geni being from trees. Both sides have Social Security, Census, birth, death, and marriage records and public records, among others. They're not perfect and it's harder to find evidence for ancestors who lived their entire lives outside an English speaking country, but that's where Jewish Gen and Family Search can be helpful.  My main tree is on MH. I don't have record matches for every single person, but I do have them for a lot of them. With Geni, even though Geni is linked to My Heritage, I find a lot of errors, since their goal is to make one giant family tree of the Jewish people and you can edit someone else's tree. However, I've gotten a lot of relatives from other people's trees there that have had record matches come up once I add them to My Heritage. I have found some famous people in my tree - no kings or queens but a couple of artists, musicians, and writers - and I've verified all them. Only one of them had I ever heard of before. Only once did one turn out to be wrong, and it was someone I got from a tree in Geni. 
     My mom uses Ancestry. She finds things that I haven't and I find things that she hasn't and we sometimes correct each other, so I'd say those two are about equal. Family Search tends not to have as many living relatives in their records from foreign countries but they do have records from many other countries - except Israel. My guess as to why is because FS is run by the Mormons.
 
Alyssa Freeman
Henrico, VA
FAVILYUKIS, BOTNIK, DIKERMAN, SUSSMAN, KALLNER, FRIEMAN, FREIMAN, KAPLINSKY, LEVANISKY, GORDON, MARKEL, SHACHAR, SHAPIRO

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Harvey Kabaker
 

If it's that easy, please do so and send us the link. Except connect me
to the Queen of Sheba, please.


E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Geni is more accurate and complete than any individual tree on Ancestry or MyHeritage in almost all cases, since it is a collaborative tree.  Why?  Think of it this way.  What would be more accurate and complete: a tree you do on your own, or a tree you do with other people who can detect and correct your mistakes and add missing data?  Of course there are errors on any tree.  Geni has 145 million connected profiles, so even if the error rate is 1% that would be almost 1.5 million errors.  But I can guarantee that every small, individual tree is bound to have a far higher rate of errors and omissions.  As for FamilySearch, they also have a large collaborative tree and it is often very good.  Again, finding some mistakes on another tree should never give anyone a false sense of superiority.  There is always work to be done on every tree, and the larger collaborative trees are necessarily going to be more complete and accurate than anything a single person could do on his or her own.


Mikkitobi@...
 

You paint far too rosy a picture of Geni Randy. Yes people make additions and corrections but they also add a lot of their own errors and sometimes a load of crap which is then very difficult to correct. The problem with all trees is the quality of the research - irrespective of the platform.


ELIAS SAVADA
 

I get very annoyed with Geni because people add so much misinformation. Someone I’ve never heard of made me an uncle to my sister’s son. Problem is my sister never had a son. I’m not going to bother trying to fix it because it’s just one of many mistakes others have made with my data. I’m content with full control over my tree at Ancestry, but even then some people make really bad assumptions when they approve the “hints” from other trees. One woman with whom I had a miniscule DNA match was convinced one of my great-grandfathers belonged on her tree, so she added him as a spouse to her grandfather. When I told her to remove the connection she told me not to be so arrogant. (She did remove him.) 
We’re all going to meet up with folks that take our good research and spin it to their own ends (the good, the bad, and the ugly), but I’ll keep my peace of mind by having the control I have on Ancestry.
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Elias Savada
Bethesda MD

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Bethesda MD
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Robert Hanna
 

I'm so tired of people complaining here about geni.com.  If you don't like it don't use it.
 
Personally, I have found some good info on geni and some bad info on geni.  I don't use it as MY family tree.  It is a WORLD family tree.  I have my own family tree.  Everything I get from geni, I verify before it goes into my family tree.
 
Adding to geni does not hurt anyone (unless they think it is gospel), but it helps a lot of people.
 
Now I will step off my soapbox and continue my family genealogy and get help wherever it comes from.
 
Robert Hanna
NYC


Max Heffler
 

There are too many trees elsewhere to keep up-to-date except for these wikitrees and I only have (barely) enough time to keep one up-to-date. Using Ancestry and MyHeritage, I am enhancing and correcting geni all of the time, just about every day, so my tree on geni becomes more accurate as time goes on. While all trees are far from perfect, I am relieved to know that the tree I am refining everyday will outlive me.

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Robert Hanna via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:16 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Geni and Family Search #general

 

I'm so tired of people complaining here about geni.com.  If you don't like it don't use it.

 

Personally, I have found some good info on geni and some bad info on geni.  I don't use it as MY family tree.  It is a WORLD family tree.  I have my own family tree.  Everything I get from geni, I verify before it goes into my family tree.

 

Adding to geni does not hurt anyone (unless they think it is gospel), but it helps a lot of people.

 

Now I will step off my soapbox and continue my family genealogy and get help wherever it comes from.

 

Robert Hanna

NYC


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Jx. Gx.
 

ALWAYS build your family history using primary sources such as census records, birth, marriage, death records, wills, and if your are fortunate to have living relatives interview them.  Actually, do the interviews first or at least at the same time you are doing the paper trail.  Remember, your elderly relatives won't be around forever to ask questions. The primary documents aren't perfect, but you can iron out most difference by comparing and contrasting these sources.  Only then when you are on solid ground or in the event you hit brick wall, look at family trees posted by other people.  But don't take their postings as fact. I've seen some really careless work. Search out their sources for yourself and apply the same critical analysis that you use when doing your own research.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona     


Max Heffler
 

I have found educated guesses, noted as such, to be extremely valuable is breaking through brick walls.

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Jx. Gx. via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:49 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Geni and Family Search #general

 

ALWAYS build your family history using primary sources such as census records, birth, marriage, death records, wills, and if your are fortunate to have living relatives interview them.  Actually, do the interviews first or at least at the same time you are doing the paper trail.  Remember, your elderly relatives won't be around forever to ask questions. The primary documents aren't perfect, but you can iron out most difference by comparing and contrasting these sources.  Only then when you are on solid ground or in the event you hit brick wall, look at family trees posted by other people.  But don't take their postings as fact. I've seen some really careless work. Search out their sources for yourself and apply the same critical analysis that you use when doing your own research.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona     


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Susan stone
 

Elias. I agree. I’ll stick with Ancestry. But.... i have a distant cousin who adds unverified people to her tree even on Ancestry and I’ve mistakenly added some if it. Only to find that dates are wrong and two siblings can’t be 40 yrs apart etc. 
Geni has helped me with my religious relatives. 


JPmiaou@...
 

How reliable is the information on Geni and Family Search.? Is one more reliable than the other?
The quality of the data completely depends on the specific family/branch and the habits and abilities of the users who have worked in your part of the tree on that platform.

I find it vastly easier to attach sources on FS; I think Geni makes it well-nigh impossible to create citations. Judging by the dearth of sources I've seen on Geni, I'm not alone in this opinion.

Regardless of which communal tree or trees you use (there's also WikiTree, and I think WeRelate still exists?), it's part of the nature of the beast that you should keep an offline (or at least private online) backup of your family lines. Yes, it's extra work, although there's software that can help (that I keep meaning to explore).

For the private online option, both Ancestry and MyHeritage are plagued by the same perpetual paywall problem: unless you shell out large sums to them on a regular basis, you get black-and-blue from running into the dratted things. Unfortunately, the link between MH and Geni means that you get the worse-than-teasers All The Time on Geni, too. (And the "best" part on MH/Geni is that it will cheerfully try to get money from you for the _tree_ data from FS, as if it were equivalent to historical record data, and as if you weren't the person who put it on FS in the first place.)

It's "choose your poison", really. FS and Mormons, Geni and paywalls, WikiTree and not-quite-coding. But I do believe in the communal tree concept; it's a whole lot better than the re-re-copying of utter dreck that goes on (because it is actively encouraged) on Ancestry.

Julia Szent-Györgyi
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