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1764/1765 Revision lists #lithuania


elani.joseph@...
 

Hi all,
does anyone know where the 1764/1765 revision lists for Lithuania are available. I have seen some online for Sakiai, Yurburg and some others to name a few. I am looking for the Pasvalys revision list from this time. According to Miriam Weiner's Route to roots foundation website if you lookup Pasvalys it says that the 1765 revision list had survived and is listed with all the other Pasvalys revision lists under census . On Jewishgen however it is not there nor is it on Litvaksig . Is there another place where it could be? or is it not translated?


Thanks, Elani L. Joseph


Joel Ratner
 

The images are online. The view below was translated using Google Translate. You'll have to search among the records for the town. These are in Polish. so it should be recognizable.

https://eais-pub.archyvai.lt/eais/faces/pages/forms/search/F3004.jspx?_afPfm=6ec12758.1.1

Joel Ratner


elani.joseph@...
 

I'm unfamiliar with this website is there an ID and password that I can use or do I need to register?


Joel Ratner
 

No registration is necessary. Translating the Lithuanian language is a must! In other words, install the capability to have Google Translate directly translate your webpages.

If you were to go to the home page and attempt to fill in the required information in order to get to these records, you would follow the following procedure:

1.The home page is at: https://eais-pub.archyvai.lt/eais/faces/pages/forms/search/F3001.jspx
2. Once you have translated the website to English, the navgation is as follows: 

3. Under Description Search, choose Advanced. The form will change slightly, giving you more fields which may be poulated.

4. Under Custodian, Choose LVIA (Lith. State Historical Archives). Also fill in 11 under Fund. This pertains to these specific records. Select Search or hit Enter.

5. You will see in dark blue 2/3 of the way down the number 11 followed by the title of this fond. It will read as follows:

Previous
                                        1 - 1 of 1                                    
Kiti  
11. Treasury Commission of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Komisja Skarbowa Wielkiego Księstwa Litewskiego) (LVIA)


6. Click on this and you will be taken to the next screen where you will see a full description of the fond. Read through it if you'd like, but select the button below labeled "View circular descriptions"

7. You will now see a screen giving you a choice of two files to examine. Click on the first one. This will take you to a screen which describes Fond 11/1. Do not click on the PDF file near the bottom under "Files". Instead, select the button at the bottom which reads "View descriptions of units of account". Note: If you click on the PDF file title, you'll see an inventory book which lists the contents of F11/1 by title but not the images.

8. The last screen shows you a listing of all the images held under F11/1. Select which images are of interest and you will see the final screen where you now select the PDF file. This file contains the images. For Kovno records, you'll see the filename as follows:
Files LVIA_F11_ap1_b1021.pdf








Joel Ratner


Ellen
 

Joel,

Are there more recent (mid- to late 1800s) revision lists on this website?  I'm mainly interested in the Kaunas/Kovno region.


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Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)


paulkozo@...
 

This seems to be under Rubric 5 for Lvia.
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Paul Hattori
London UK

SHADUR, SADUR, SHADER, SADER, CHADOUR, SADOUR, SHADOUR,  SZADUR from Salakas, Lithuania
MINDEL, MINDELL from Utena and Vyzuonos, Lithuania
FELLER from Pabrade, Lithuania


Rabbi Ben-Zion Saydman
 

This is fascinating.  I have had no success finding my MAIPER family prior to 1840 in Rumshishok.  There are no MAIPERS


Rabbi Ben-Zion Saydman
 

Shalom Joel,

This is fascinating.  I have had no success finding my MAIPER family prior to 1840.  They were living in Rumshishok (Rumsiskes) and it seems like they just fell out of the sky.  There are no other MAIPERS anywhere.  So either my ancestor Avraham Naftali ben Lipman MAIPER came alone from somewhere else and left any extended family behind, or he was beamed down by aliens.  We have two versions of a well known family legend.  One says a French Jewish officer arrived with Napoleon and decided to stay.  The other says a French soldier got separated from his unit, approached a stately elder in Rumshishok and said "Excusez moi Mon Pere."  Later when Jews were forced to take surnames this stately elder chose MONPERE and it was corrupted to MAIPER.  The only thing we know for a fact is that MAIPER is not a typical Russian or Jewish name.  All native Russian speakers who have seen the name in original Russian language documents say it sounds French or Portuguese.  I recently found a Jewish family from Eastern France and Holland with the surname MAISONPIERRE.  This might fill in a lot of holes, validate family lore and enable further connections, if I could prove a link.  However, Alexander Beider does not believe either MONPERE or MAISONPIERRE linguistically connect to MAIPER.

So, I am back to looking for MAIPER or patronymics in and around Rumshishok pre 1840.  I looked at the original Polish documents via your link.  Amazing!  Has anyone put together a list of surnames and/or town names associated with these documents?  Does anything else exist for Rumshishok prior to 1840 that you are aware of?  

Benzi Saydman
Lake Forest, CA

MAYPER (MAIPER), MELTSNER, RAPHAEL, AUG, WERNER, SATINSKY, MARCUS, NEWMAN, RADOFF, NUROCK, NEVIAZSHSKY, SIEGEL, GORDON, BLOCH, IDELSON, BACH, KRULL, LEVIN, BEKER, ZUBACH, ROMM
Rumskiskes, Telsiai, Plunge, Philadelphia, NYC


Joel Ratner
 

The only revision lists on the web site linked to the Office of the Chief Archivist of Lithuania are the 1765 lists previously identified. If there are any later ones, I have not found them.

That takes us to the revision lists from 1795 - 1858. Familysearch now has microfilms available for view of the 1795 - 1834 revision lists. Technically speaking, they have covered F515/15/ 1 - 588.
There are many more in the wings however, I don't know if the 1850/51 and 1858 revision lists were filmed. Beyond 1858, there were family lists included in F515 which also may have been filmed however, the LitvakSIG may know more about this.

If you go looking for the 1795 - 1834 Jewish community RLs at Familysearch, they are NOT under the title "Jewish records", but under "Taxation". See below.

Joel



Joel Ratner
 

The best sources of what records exist, what has been databased and what is up and coming are the LitvakSIG District coordinators and Russ Maurer, who leads all records acquisition activities for the SIG. I happen to have stumbled across the 1765 RL as I look for sources online outside of SIG activities. 

Joel Ratner