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Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #germany #usa

oliverdmarshall@...
 

Can anyone suggest how I can find the exact date when my grandfather died and the cemetery where he was buried? His name was Siegfried Rosenberg and he was born in Usingen, Germany, on 23 February 1886. He died in New York City in 1953 – I'm fairly sure sometime in November. I was told that he was buried in a vast Jewish cemetery somewhere in New Jersey.
Thank you for any help that you can provide!
Oliver Marshall
London – England

 

I have many ancestors who died in NY and were buried in NJ. There are multiple cemeteries in Northern New Jersey but I would start with Riverside in Saddle Brook as that's probably the largest one.

http://riversidecemetery.org/ but also check Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/100185/riverside-cemetery.


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Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)

 

Maybe this is him?

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/jowbr.php?rec=J_NJ_0064748


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Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)

Renee Steinig
 

Oliver Marshall <olivermarshall@...> asked:

<<Can anyone suggest how I can find the exact date when my grandfather died and the cemetery where he was buried? His name was Siegfried Rosenberg and he was born in Usingen, Germany, on 23 February 1886. He died in New York City in 1953 – I'm fairly sure sometime in November. I was told that he was buried in a vast Jewish cemetery somewhere in New Jersey.>>

Oliver, was your grandfather an observant Jew? And did he live in Washington Heights (northern Manhattan)? If so, the burial that Jeff Goldner found on JOWBR is promising, because it's on the grounds of what was popularly known as "Breuer's," an Orthodox synagogue in Washington Heights that was founded by German Jews. 

If the Siegfried Rosenberg at King Solomon is not the right person, try Cedar Park-Beth El in Paramus, New Jersey, another cemetery where many German Jews are buried.

One more option is to order a copy of what could be your grandfather's death record:

ROSENBERG, SIEGFR
17 Sept 1953 Manhattan
Age 67
Certificate #20404

This listing doesn't show up in a search of Ancestry's index to NYC death, 1949-1965. However, the Rosenberg page of the original 1953 index book shows the entry, barely legible. Information on ordering copies of NYC death records is here: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/services/death-certificates.page .

Renee

Renee Steinig
Dix Hills NY
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Jeff Goldner <goldner_jeff@...> wrote:

rhonda.post@...
 

I recently received a photo of my great grandfather and great uncle’s grave stone from Saddle Ridge, NJ. The dates match my research. My mother is doubting its authenticity because her family lived in New York and were too poor to afford the nice size stone. Does anyone know why New York families were burying their family members in New Jersey?

richisaak@...
 

You may also want to check Cedar Park & Beth-El cemeteries in Paramus NJ.

http://www.cedarparkbethelcemeteries.com/

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Rich Isaak
Researching Isaak, Rosenheimer & Türkheimer (Germany)

A. E. Jordan
 




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From: rhonda.
I recently received a photo of my great grandfather and great uncle’s grave stone from Saddle Ridge, NJ. The dates match my research. My mother is doubting its authenticity because her family lived in New York and were too poor to afford the nice size stone. Does anyone know why New York families were burying their family members in New Jersey?




It is more often about the burial or social society that they belonged to.  Remember burial was not permitted in Manhattan so it would have been Queens or Brooklyn or New Jersey.  I would look to see if they are in a burial society plot and see if you can find any information about that society. 

In my research I found a ladies organization in the Bronx that had its burial plot in central New Jersey.  I knew the woman lived in the Bronx and I would never have guessed she was buried where she is.

My family is the other way.  They always lived in Northern New Jersey but the temple they belonged to had a plot in Brooklyn.  So from around 1900 to the 1940s all the family members were buried in Brooklyn.

Allan Jordan

Diane Jacobs
 

If you lived in Manhattan or the Bronx, it was just as easy to go to NJ. My grandfather in the 1940s bought plots from
Beth Israel cemetery, Woodbridge NJ and he lived in the Bronx.

Diane Jacobs 



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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa

I recently received a photo of my great grandfather and great uncle’s grave stone from Saddle Ridge, NJ. The dates match my research. My mother is doubting its authenticity because her family lived in New York and were too poor to afford the nice size stone. Does anyone know why New York families were burying their family members in New Jersey?
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

June Genis
 

This raises a question for me about my own father's death.  Although he was buried in NJ the research I did in Trenton indicated that he actually died elsewhere, maybe NYC.  I found an index record with a certificate number on it but the NYC records office told me that it could not be located by that number although they never explained why.  They were unable to locate it based on the information I was able to give them.  Since my father Nathan Genis died of bone cancer it it quite possible that he was transferred from NJ to a cancer facility in NYC.  I tried contacting Sloane Kettering but they do not have records going back that far.  He died in December 1949, possibly on the 10th based on an obituary I found.

Can anyone suggest how I might obtain the actual death certificate? Here is the Find a Grave data. Note tht it says he died in NJ but that is not what the Trenton archives indicate.

NameNathan GenisBirth Date21 Sep 1899Birth PlaceJersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey, United States of AmericaDeath Date10 Dec 1949Death PlaceNew Jersey, United States of AmericaCemeteryNorth Arlington Jewish CemeteryBurial or Cremation PlaceNorth Arlington, Bergen County, New Jersey, United States of AmericaHas Bio?NSpouseAugusta Genis

allenhausman@...
 

The Jewish emigrants from Eastern Europe living in the Lower East Side and other parts of Manhattan early on recognized the inevitable by forming burial societies that acquired space in the outer boroughs, and across the Hudson in northern New Jersey.  My grandparents and parents rest together with extended family in a family circle plot in Beth Israel Memorial Park  in Woodbridge, New Jersey.  These were New Yorkers buried in New Jersey  Tens of thousands are buried at Beth Israel.   

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Deanna Levinsky
 

I can personally attest to people from New York being buried in New Jersey. My father bought plots in NJ while we were living in the Bronx. Reason 1-It wasn't that far away, 2- Very inexpensive (at that time) especially compared to NY, 3- Burial spaces in NYC and close environs were not that plentiful, 4- nicer landscaping, 5- newer cemeteries offered flat markers rather than tombstones; this was less expensive and made perpetual care possible at no cost. I would be happy to donate 4 plots to a worthy Jewish organization
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Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY

fredelfruhman
 

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"I would be happy to donate 4 plots to a worthy Jewish organization".

Perhaps the "Hebrew Free Burial Association" would be interested.  Here is their website:  https://www.hebrewfreeburial.org/ 

Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

estelle
 

Why my Brooklyn family was buried in New Jersey.   My grandfather belonged to the New York Social Club which had a section in the large Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn probably since the early 1900s.   But by the 1950s the plot was full, so the society bought land in a nearby cemetery in New Jersey, so that is where my grandparent's children , some grandchildren,  and some cousins are buried.  

Estelle Guttman
Reston VA