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Research individuals in France #france

Art Hoffman
 

I recently researched for my GF's sister, who immigrated to Paris, on the Filae genealogy website.  I chose a one month subscription for their premium plan.  If anyone has need for such research, send me the name of the person (privately) and I'll do it for you as long as my subscription lasts.

Barbara Mannlein
 

Art, I feel like an idiot, but:  
     If you could look for Weisser / Weiser  from Buczacz  I would appreciate it…  I am a very recent widow, and my head is not on straight and I can’t locate their first names.  I was told they were deported …..

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Art Hoffman <arthh@...> wrote:

I recently researched for my GF's sister, who immigrated to Paris, on the Filae genealogy website.  I chose a one month subscription for their premium plan.  If anyone has need for such research, send me the name of the person (privately) and I'll do it for you as long as my subscription lasts.

Marilyn Feingold
 

Art, can you see if there is a David Hascal Schliffer  or David Schliffer  or David Hascal listed in Paris. He joined the French Foreign Legion after escaping the Nazi's and had an aunt Bessie who lived outside of Paris who took him in when he arrived in France. When he went to France he changed his name from David Schliffer to David Hascal (Haskell? not sure of the spelling. Thanks so much or your kind offer. Best wishes. Marilyn Feingold

Helen Gardner
 

Art. thanks for offering to look things up. I don't know what information is available, but I'd appreciate it if you could try and find when Rubin FELD (my uncle) entered Paris from Warsaw. His sibs all left but he stayed behind until his mother  (my grandmother Henia FELD) passed away, and it would help me with the timeline of when she died. It would probably be in the 1930s though it could conceivably be late 1920s.
TIA.
--
Helen Gardner

ancestral names, all from Poland, mostly Warsaw

AJGENGOLD/EIGENGOLD, BERCHOJER, BLANK, BIALOGORA, BLUMBERG, CHMIELNICKI, FELD, FERNEBOK/FERNSBUN, EDELMAN, FRYDMAN, GELDTRUNK, GURIN, ISSAKOWICH, LAKS, LERMAN, MALIS, MENDER/MONDER, MLYNARZ/MILLER, PODGORER/PODGORSKI, POPOWER, RAUTARBER/ROTGERBERG, RASTENBERG, POSSIBLY PRESSEIZEN

lionel.levy@...
 

Hello Art,

Not sure what the site offers but looking for any info on the following families.

Enriquez, Arditti or Arditi

anything from 1860's to now

very much appreciated.

Lionel Levy

Manchester
ENGLAND

Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Dear detectives,
As I have told often on this forum, privacy is very well protected in France : no hope to enter a name as we do on "Ancestry" for USA and then discover data registered all their / your life long.
Even for our family emigrating to France, what do we use to find Jewish migrant traces when we start with a name only?
1.      From 1881 to 1939 :

1.1.   Naturalization was easy after some years living there, especially after WW1, as 1.5 million of French men had been killed. Naturalization files were not only a form, but a file filled by 10 to 30 documents, including list of parents & siblings living in foreign countries, vital records, places of life from old country to France, attestations of wages, housing... These files were established by administration and are carefully kept in French National Archives. So we always start by getting a copy of each file.

1.1.1.     for each person, acceptance of naturalization was made by a Presidential decree and each decree was / is published in the "Journal Officiel de la République Française, Official publication of laws of French Republique". From 1880 to 1949 (confidentiality of 70 years), you can find all decrees by searching your "names" at https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb34378481r/date?rk=85837;2&lang=EN

1.1.2.     In this same databases, you will also find decrees of "denaturalization" during Shoah in France when new Jewish French citizen were deprived from their citizenship by collaborationist Petain's government.

1.1.3.     During same period, also decrees of "aryanisation" of Jewish business and shops (even very small), transferring Jewish property to non-Jewish collaborators.

1.1.4.     With reference of naturalization decree, you must fill an inquiry to French National Archives to get a copy of your file (or visit archives, a few metro stations from Paris): https://www.siv.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/siv/cms/content/display.action?onglet=1&uuid=Accueil1RootUuid

1.1.5.     Unfortunately, they are still closed due to Covid pandemic.

1.1.6.     Important notice: for French Revolution, France applies "jus soli", each child born in France is French, even from foreign parents. So these children aren't registered in these archives.

 

1.2.   If your relatives were living in Paris, you can find census of Paris, school lists, registration of business ( even a small shop)  in Paris Archives : http://archives.paris.fr/r/123/archives-numerisees/

 

2.      during WWII & Shoah in France

2.1.   Comparable to USHMM, Memorial de la Shoah in Paris is our main institution, you can search deportees from France at http://ressources.memorialdelashoah.org/rechav_pers.php

2.2.   French administration keep deportees' files completed after 1945 for administrative purposes : https://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/node/32591

2.3.   French Army archives to search soldiers, KIA, POW, including voluntary engagement of foreign Jews in Foreign Legion in 1939/1940 https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/article.php?larub=83

 Even if most of our archives haven't recovered a normal activity, you can start searches & inquiries.

Khavershaft

Bernard Flam

Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund) of France

Jewish genealogy workshop of Medem Center

 

Searching : FLAM, AGID around Olesko, Brody & Lemberg

ZYSMAN, KRONENBERG & ROTTERSMAN around Lodz

 

 

royer-mars@...
 

Bonjour à Tous
Je suis désolé d'utiliser ce fil de discussion mais ma question est en direction de Bernard Flam et concerne le lien évoqué dans sa réponse concernant les listes scolaires.
Ma tante Hilde MARX, née à Duisbourg le 13 septembre 1924 a été raflée avec ses parents à Bry-Sur-Marne en juillet 1942.
Dirigée vers Drancy, Elle est déclarée morte avec ses parents le 29 juillet 1942 à Auschwitz comme la totalité des 1000 déportés de son convoi.
Elle fait donc partie de la longue liste des enfants juifs morts en déportation.
Je sais que ma famille était réfugiée à Forbach de 1933 à 1935 puis à Bry-sur-Marne de 1935 à 1942 et que durant cette période ma tante a obligatoirement été scolarisée.
Aussi je suis à la recherche de conseils pouvant me permettre d'en découvrir un peu plus sur elle.
En vous remerciant par avance
Yann

Good morning all
I am sorry to use this topic, but my question is for Bernard Flam and concerns the link mentioned in his answer concerning school lists.
My aunt Hilde MARX, born in Duisburg on September 13, 1924 was arrested with her parents in Bry-Sur-Marne in July 1942.
Directed towards Drancy, She was declared dead with her parents on July 29, 1942 in Auschwitz as the total of the 1000 deportees of her convoy.
She is on the long list of Jewish children who died in deportation.
I know that my family was a refugee in Forbach from 1933 to 1935 and then in Bry-sur-Marne from 1935 to 1942 and that during this period my aunt had to attend school.
I am looking for advice that can allow me to discover a little more about it.
Thanks you in advance
Yann

Steve Daggers
 

Art thank you for your generosity. If you could find any info about my g-grandfather that would be much appreciated. Israel Harris was born in 1879 in London, England. He went to France in the 1920s-1930s (estimated). Thank you sir!

Michael Turnbull
 

Dear Art,
That's very generous of you. I am searching for French records on Adolf (Adolphe in France) TARNOWER born in Warsaw in 1894 who gained a Diploma in Mechanical Engineering from l#Ecole Superieur d'Electricite Applique a Nancy and whose wife was Sara (Alice in France) maiden name Rozemberg (in French Rosembee). Adolf (Adolphe) had a French passport for 1912-1913.
If you have no luck you could maybe suggest to me where to investigate further. I guess Adolf spent a year studying in Nancy, France and possibly married Sara (Alice) Rozemberg (Rosembee)? 
Thanks very much again,
Michael

vangheluwe.smietan
 

Sura TAROWER ROZENBERG died in 1940 in Warsaw. she was born circa 1886. She had a daughter Janina born around 1921 and died during the holocaust. Their husband and father, Adolf TARNOWER, could be this wires and silks merchant whose shop is located Orla 5. He could be tis one born January 12, 1886 in Warsaw. Consequently, It is a other Adolf TARNOWER, born in 1894, mechanical engineer, in France, married with?

Daniel

itencorinne@...
 

Hi Yann and Michael

Bernard Flam only wrote about different archives in Paris. 

This archives only have documents about people who lived in Paris.
http://archives.paris.fr/r/123/archives-numerisees/

Birth records (until 1919), Marriages (until 1944), Death records (until 1986)
http://archives.paris.fr/r/124/etat-civil-de-paris/

census lists 1926, 1931, 1936; cemetery records; military records (WWI)
http://archives.paris.fr/r/126/sources-genealogiques-complementaires/

Declarations of deaths of soldiers of WWI and of the Foreign Legion
http://archives.paris.fr/r/125/fonds-judiciaires/

Nancy (Département Meurthe-et-Moselle) with census lists until 1936
http://archives.meurthe-et-moselle.fr/archives-en-ligne
Nancy (online newspaper archives)
https://kiosque.limedia.fr/

Forbach (Département Moselle)
http://www.archives57.com/index.php/recherches/archives-en-ligne
http://www.archives57.com/index.php/recherches/aide-a-la-recherche

Bry-Sur-Marne (Département Val de Marne) with census lists until 1936
http://archives.valdemarne.fr/r/4/archives-en-ligne/

Regards
Svenja

deborah.shindell@...
 

Hi Ari,

Thanks for your offer. I have two people who I would like to research:
1) This man emigrated to France from Poland before 1927:
Michal (Michel) Besserglik
born October 17, 1907 in Kalisz, Poland
died in France, between 1939 and 1945.
Parents: Chanoch and Miriam (born Szlezinger) Besserglik
I would like to know if he married and had children.
2) Carol Beserglik: Could this man be Michal's son? Carol's wife is Liba Beserglik, daughter Marcelle Pilicer

Thanks for your help,

Deborah Shindell


Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Searching Michnel Beserglik for Deborah 

According to my previous answer, point 1.1.1., I attach copy of the two pages of "French Journal Officiel (JO)" edited on July 3rd, 1938 where naturalization decree of Michnel is published (see last page, middle second column).
File can be copied at French National Archives, point 1.1.4.
Michnel was 31', not maried with a foreign wife (she would appear in same decree), or maried with an already French wife.

Michnel had been KIA, "Mort pour la France", during nazi invasion of France (Blitzkrieg) on June 16th, 1940, a few days before cease fire and armistice : I attach another page of JO published in 1943. He should be buried in a national war cemetery.
His military file is kept in our national military archives of Caen
https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/arkotheque/client/mdh/recherche_transversale/bases_nominatives_detail_fiche.php?fonds_cle=7&ref=1670196&debut=0

Another couple named Beserglik, Kalma and ?, had been naturalized in 1948 , decree published in JO of 1949, see document.

Khavershaft
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund) of France

royer-mars@...
 

A very big thank you to Bernard Flam and Svenja (itencorinne@...) for the time you spent helping me.
Good research to all.
Best Regard

Un très grand merci a Bernard Flam et Svenja itencorinne@... pour le temps que vous avez consacré à m'aider.
Bonnes recherches à tous
Yann

Nancy Reicher
 

Cousin  at 136 Ave de la Republique, Fontenay S/Bois,  94 France a suburb of Paris. Name is Michel Bronfenbren(n)er. Born in Ukraine either Cherson or Odessa in 1890. Left there around 1914-1918. Joined the French Foreign Legion during WW I. Fought in a battle where the only survivors of his troop were himself and the baker. He was awarded some sort of medal after that battle where he was wounded and lost a leg. Became a French Civil Servant (He was an engineer) and lived at the above address until his death in 1970's , probably 1974-78. I visited him in his home in March of 1972 with my husband and children. He was my father's first cousin. I first met him in 1939-40 when he came for the New York World's Fair and again in 1964 when he returned for the New York World's Fair again. He went to work every day of the German occupation wearing his jewish star on his coat (I have a photo of him with it).. How and why he was allowed to survive he never told me Would love to know the exact date of his death and where he is buried and what became of the portrait that Modigliani painted of him

Nancy L. Reicher
Kansas City, MO
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royer-mars@...
 



Résultats des premières recherches:
Michel BRONFENBRENER est né le 27 mai 1890 à Odessa
il a été naturalisé français le 31 janvier 1929

Results of initial research:
Michel BRONFENBRENER was born on May 27, 1890 in Odessa
he was naturalized French on January 31, 1929

royer-mars@...
 

Ici son livret militaire
Here his military booklet
https://archives.gironde.fr/ark:/25651/vta6f2913696b9e41f9/daoloc/0/layout:table/idsearch:RECH_b1cb82a4b44c5dbeb2c5892a36c26567#id:740403301?gallery=true&brightness=100.00&contrast=100.00&center=979.500,-1471.000&zoom=3&rotation=0.000

royer-mars@...
 

Married March 14, 1946 in Fontenay-sous-Bois to Joséphine Marie Jeanne CUINET 1894-1982

Nancy Reicher
 

Oh my!!!! I am amazed and Flabbergasted at all you have found. This is all just wonderful. I am overwhelmed. Merci tres, tres much.  My French is very rusty. I can't tell you how much I appreciate all this information. Is there any way I can compensate you other than just by my thank yous.

Yes, I knew Jeanne also from our visit in her's and Misha's home in April 1972. There is much more I can tell you about Misha's history. Jeanne was Misha's at least second wife. She was a nurse and nursed him back to health from tuberculosis in the Vouges mountains before they married. My parents visited with Misha in 1950 when they went to Europe and spent a good deal of time with Jeanne and Misha. Before they left the U.S., They asked Misha what he needed as France was still not in great shape after WW II . Misha said I need coffee and a toilet seat. My parents took him both. He was a lovely man. I loved him dearly. We had good letter writing together. He was a deep thinker. He escaped from Ukraine or maybe Russia because he was in a plot to kill the Czar. His mother was able to Bribe the jailer as he was in custody and was to be hung. He was a revolutionary. The whole family were intellectuals and university graduates .His father was a doctor. His mother a nurse of royal order. His two brothers were PHD doctors and lived and worked in the U.S.. His one sister was an agronomist. She remained in Russia. and later moved to St Petersburg. His mother finally immigrated to France, Paris. During the occupation Misha placed her in an insane asylum where he felt she would be safe. She was . She lived to be liberated but died of starvation shortly after. She was about 85 at  that time. I'd love to know when Rose Bronfenbrener died and is buried as well as MIsha's death. The last letter my father received was misha telling him he would be dead shortly and saying goodbye. My Dad died in March 1977. Misha's last  letter was not to long before that, no more than a year.  

Thank you more and more for all your help. Now I must send my first cousin all your information. He will be as overwhelmed as I am.

Nancy L. Reicher (nlreicher@...)

Judi Gyory Missel
 

This is so generous of you to offer help Art. My French research is looking for details of my Hirschfeld family that moved to Strasbourg, France. Anton Hirschfeld and his wife, Katarina Sessler Hirschfeld were both born in Galgocz, Hungary. This town is now Hlohovec, Slovakia. Anton was born in 1847 and Katarina was born in 1853. They moved to Strasbourg to help with the family's export-import business of goose liver pate. The Hirschfeld family traded with much of Europe from their origins in Hungary. Anton and Katarina had 10 children all born in France. Many years ago, I communicated with a gentleman who sent me some basic information, but no updates and information about modern descendants. Anton and Katarina are both buried in Galgocz. Katarina died on 2 Dec 1904 and Anton died on 26 Jul 1922. 

Thank you for any help you can share or any suggestions for a direction I can go to find out more about this family. 
Regards.
Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona USA