Daughter of Saul Ben Judah (Sir Saul Wahl) Wahl Katzenellenbogen #names

Stanley Levine

Can anyone confirm  a daughter of Saul Katzenellenbogen. She was married to Rabbi Dayan Moshe Hakohen Katz Rappaport Ashkenazi aka Aaron Moses (Munk)

Her name was Nechama Nechele "Mali" OR



Stan Levine


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Adam Cherson

Dear Stan,

According to my info, Nechama K. (aka Nislah) was the grand-daughter of Shaul Wahl K. via his son Meir Moshe K.She married a different Moshe HaCohen Katz,(1570-??) ben Peysakh Yehuda, who is not the one who was Dayan of Frankfurt. The Dayan Moshe HaCohen (1550-1620) ben Meir Ephraim married Keileh Bingen.

This is I believe the one you are looking for: https://www.geni.com/people/Nessale-Nissla-Katz/6000000001281846714

Good Researching,
Adam Cherson


Dear Mr. Cherson                                                                                                 13th July 2020

My name is Veronika Pachtinger--my mother was a nee Biderman/Biederman --her father--Herman/Hersl/Zvi Biderman 's  (D.O.B.) 4th May 1881 )  parents were Suri-Necha/Sali/Rosalia Wohl/Wahl--born on the 2nd May 1855 in Bettendorf?--Rosalia/Suri-Necha Wahl/Wohl's father was Tobias/Tuvia WAHL/Wohl  a direct Descendant of Saul Wahl

Rosalia/Suri-Necha Wahl/Wohl's  ( D.O.B. 2nd May 1855--31st October 1929)   husband was Moishe Biderman ( Petirah 3rd August 1911) --Moishe Biderman's father was Mordechai Biderman --They had 13 children and they lived in Hanusovce Nad Toplou/Tapoly-Hannusfalve
Mioshe Biderman is buried in Hanusovce Nad Toplou.--prior to Hanusovce--They may have lived in Presov?  or Radvany/Radvanyka

If I am not mistaken Tobias/Tuvia Wahl/Wohl may have been married ----before He married Rosalia/Suri-Necha Wahl/Wohl's mother ?--- more than once

I wonder, if you can help any way, I have a lot of missing links--like who was the mother of Rosalia/Suri-Necha Wohl/Wahl? 

I am aware that Rosalia/Suri necha Wohl/Wahl  may have had two brother's Sloime Dovid Wahl/Wohl who may have married a nee Preiss/Preisz  and
Izsak Wahl/Wohl---I do not know if Izsak married , if yes whom?

Please, if you have any info, I would be more than indepted.

Kind regards
Veronika Pachtinger



I think you will find that the Nechele in question, married to R. Aaron Moses Ashkenazi Munk, was the daughter of Moses Aaron Teomim of Prague and  Rivka (bat Israel) Horowitz of Prague. Nechele and Aaron Moses Munk's daughter Rachel married the famous Rabbi Yom Tov Lipman Halevi Heller

Good luck with the research

Anthony Rabin
London UK


On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 03:52 PM, Stanley Levine wrote:
Dear Stan,
Please see the link to the profile of Nechama, wife of Aharon Moses (Munk) : https://www.geni.com/people/Nechama-Ashkenazi-Teomim/6000000001037943249
(she happens to be my wife's 13th GGM...)
According to the info on Geni.com, she was NOT the daughter of Saul Katzenellenbogen, but of Rabbi Moses Ahron Teomim-Fraenkel (Teomim) and Rivkah Teomim (Horowitz).
Kind regards,

Adam Cherson

From these various helpful responses the situation is now clear: your original question conflates three (at least) persons into one: 1) https://www.geni.com/people/Aaron-Ashkenazi-Munk/6000000002764780073?through=4431755599050023704, spouse of https://www.geni.com/people/Nechama-Ashkenazi-Teomim/6000000001037943249 2) https://www.geni.com/people/R-Moses-Katz-A-B-D-and-head-of-the-Klaus-Rabbinical-Academy/3949396446480076730, spouse of https://www.geni.com/people/Nessale-Nissla-Katz/6000000001281846714, and 3) https://www.geni.com/people/Rabbi-Moshe-Katz-Rappaport-Ashkenazi-Dayan-Frankfurt/6000000003925218685, spouse of https://www.geni.com/people/Gella-Katz-Rappaport-Ashkenazi/6000000011187168435. The Rappaport surname appears to me to be misplaced for either 3a or b, above. The only evidence I see of a Rappaport connection for either is that the couple has a 2x ggd who married a Rappaport (https://www.geni.com/people/Ella-Rapaport/6000000002764979857). This would be an instance of reverse surnaming by marriage, which is confusing.

I hope all of this helps unravel this knot.