Understanding Russia/Poland #poland #general #russia


Rachel
 

The only information that I have on my ggf's birthplace comes from his marriage authorisation in the UK dated 1893 which says Russia/Poland.  He was born in 1871. I know that the boundaries changed and that the Jewishgen databases show the ruling areas by town, my issue is I don't know which town, or Gurbenia he came from. Is there anything that can help me work out whether he was born in Poland which then became part of Rusiia, or Russia which became part of Poland?

Rachel Poole UK


Stephen Weinstein
 

It could also be both "Poland which then became part of Rusiia" and "Russia which became part of Poland", because some places were one, became part of the other, and then became part of the first one again.

Since you know his name and the year he was born, look on JRI-Poland (or any other database) for records of a birth with that name and year anywhere that the database covers.  (Don't search by place; just search by name and date.)  Once you find a record of his birth that tells you the name of the place, it's very easy to research the history of that place.

"The only information that I have on my ggf's birthplace comes from his marriage authorisation in the UK dated 1893 which says Russia/Poland.  He was born in 1871. I know that the boundaries changed and that the Jewishgen databases show the ruling areas by town, my issue is I don't know which town, or Gurbenia he came from. Is there anything that can help me work out whether he was born in Poland which then became part of Rusiia, or Russia which became part of Poland?"

Rachel Poole UK


Stanley Diamond
 

 
The Jewish birth, marriage and death records of Poland displayed on JewishGen were
indexed/extracted by Jewish Records Indexing-Poland <https://jri-poland.org//>
They are displayed on JewishGen.org as a courtesy and service to all researchers.
 
The JRI-Poland search system which can be accessed by clicking on "search" on the
navigation bar provides multiple options for searching.
 

 
There are distinctive features for searching the JRI-Poland database that new researchers
may be not be aware of.  It is possible for all researchers to search the JRI-Poland database
by surname, given name, town, and keyword or a combination of up to four of these. 
 
There are other options that are unique to JRI-Poland. You can search by year ranges and
record types.  Also, only by searching through the JRI-Poland portal can you specify a
radius of, say, 25, 50 or 100 kilometers or miles from certain geographical coordinates.
This can still focus your search, but also yield results from several different Gubernias. 
These features will be further enhanced with the expanded search system now under
development under JRI-Poland's "Next Generation website and data management project."
 
Together, these features provide an invaluable tool to researchers – both for expanding your
overview or focusing searches and solving dilemmas associated with too many results when
a search involves large towns and common surnames - or even finding the long-forgotten town
name that has eluded you.
 
Coincidentally, as an example of optional search paramaters, just today, in response to 
a post regarding research for a Kuty record. Logan Kleinwaks wrote (thank you, Logan),"
 

        "Although Kuty marriage records from this time might not be known to survive, this

         record was registered in Kolomyja, where the marriage took place and where the

         bride lived. Found by searching JRI-Poland for surname KLINGER and town Kuty."

 
To learn more about the current status on indexing/extraction of the records for your town,
write to [townname]@jri-poland.org
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 

Understanding Russia/Poland #general #russia #poland
From: Rachel
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:37:00 EDT

 

The only information that I have on my ggf's birthplace comes from his

marriage authorisation in the UK dated 1893 which says Russia/Poland. 

He was born in 1871.

 

I know that the boundaries changed and that the Jewishgen databases

show the ruling areas by town.

 

My issue is I don't know which town, or Gurbenia he came from.

Is there anything that can help me work out whether he was born in Poland

which then became part of Russia, or Russia which became part of Poland?

Rachel Poole UK

 


Jill Whitehead
 

Dear Rachel

First of all, Russian-Poland refers to a large part of the Pale of Settlement  that operated under the Tzar for much of the 19th century.

The boundaries of the Russian Empire changed over time. Please refer to the(UK)Times Atlas of European History for maps showing the changes. There are also maps online.

The best way to find out where your ancestor came from is to look at the following records on the UK National Archives website, Ancestry or FindMyPast:

- UK Naturalisation records at the National Archives or on Ancestry. I found these for three out of four sets of my great grandparents, who all naturalised in the 1890s, having been in UK for 30 years.
- Using Census Records. My 4th set of great grandparents were not naturalised but I finally found their place of origin in the 1911 Census (it had not been mentioned in the 1871, 1881, 1891 or 1901 censuses). I also confirmed this through DNA testing with a 3rd cousin in USA who had a detailed paper trail, and information about a change of surname, reverting back to a patronym. This was also confirmed by JRI Poland. All the evidence matched up.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, England.


Stanley Diamond
 

 
 
The Jewish birth, marriage and death records of Poland displayed on JewishGen were
indexed/extracted by Jewish Records Indexing-Poland <https://jri-poland.org//>
They are displayed on JewishGen.org as a courtesy and service to all researchers.
 
The JRI-Poland search system which can be accessed by clicking on "search" on the
navigation bar provides multiple options for searching.
 
There are distinctive features for searching the JRI-Poland database that new researchers
may be not be aware of.  It is possible for all researchers to search the JRI-Poland database
by surname, given name, town, and keyword or a combination of up to four of these. 
 
There are other options that are unique to JRI-Poland. You can search by year ranges and
record types.  Also, only by searching through the JRI-Poland portal can you specify a
radius of, say, 25, 50 or 100 kilometers or miles from certain geographical coordinates.
This can still focus your search, but also yield results from several different Gubernias. 
These features will be further enhanced with the expanded search system now under
development under JRI-Poland's "Next Generation website and data management project."
 
Together, these features provide an invaluable tool to researchers – both for expanding your
overview or focusing searches and solving dilemmas associated with too many results when
a search involves large towns and common surnames - or even finding the long-forgotten town
name that has eluded you.
 
Coincidentally, as an example of optional search paramaters, just yesterday, in response to 
a post regarding research for a Kuty record. Logan Kleinwaks wrote (thank you, Logan),"

 

        "Although Kuty marriage records from this time might not be known to survive, this

         record was registered in Kolomyja, where the marriage took place and where the

         bride lived. Found by searching JRI-Poland for surname KLINGER and town Kuty."

 
To learn more about the current status on indexing/extraction of the records for your town,
write to [townname]@jri-poland.org
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 

Understanding Russia/Poland #general #russia #poland
From: Rachel
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:37:00 EDT

 

The only information that I have on my ggf's birthplace comes from his

marriage authorisation in the UK dated 1893 which says Russia/Poland. 

He was born in 1871.

 

I know that the boundaries changed and that the Jewishgen databases

show the ruling areas by town.

 

My issue is I don't know which town, or Gurbenia he came from.

Is there anything that can help me work out whether he was born in Poland

which then became part of Russia, or Russia which became part of Poland?

Rachel Poole UK

 


Jill Whitehead
 

Your first port of call should always be naturalisation records or the censuses. This gives you that information you are seeking in many cases.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Steven Usdansky
 

Have you looked for your ggf's family in the Belarus databases? My grandmother's family came the area around Novogrodek/Novogrudok/Navahrudak. When the first family members arrived, it was in Russia, by the time the last family members arrived, it was in Poland, and today, it's in Belarus.