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Coat of Arms #poland


jeff@...
 

Was it common for an average Polish Jew to have a Coat of Arms?
What was the general rules as to who may have had them. #general
 
 
Jeff Bock (Los Angeles)
Researching: BOCK/BERG/POMERANTZ/WARSZAWCZYK/DAVIDOFF/GROSSMAN/MOST/BERGER/ROTM

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Jeff Bock (Los Angeles)

Researching: BOCK/BERG/POMERANTZ/WARSZAWCZYK/DAVIDOFF/GROSSMAN/MOST/BERGER/ROTMAN


Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

1. Not common at all.
       In Poland only the noble class was entitled to bear armorial signs.

2. Very few Jewish families had them:

    Coats of arms belong to specific individuals and families and there is NO SUCH THING as a coat of arms for a family name.  "Today, almost anyone can buy a coat of arms from internet retailers that pretend to know all about our Cohen, Levinsky or Silverstein family forebears.  Such ill-gotten honours, however, are almost always bogus.

      Generally speaking,  Ashkenazi Jews didn't adopt surnames til roughly 1800.  "The Rothschilds had one. The Disraelis had one. The Montefiore, Mocatta and Sassoon families each had one.

     "Popular with Jewish aristocracy in Europe,Jewish coats of arms once seemed a sort of harmless conceit for the rich. 

3.   "Armorial bearings of families to which the right to bear arms has been granted by the recognized heraldic authorities. This right is feudal in character; and it seems to have originated, toward the end of the twelfth century, in the international relations during the Crusades, which rendered it desirable to introduce some system into the devices on shields. 

As Jews had no recognized position in the feudal system, they could not use coats of arms. Consequently, no Jewish coats of arms were recognized by the heralds in the Middle Ages.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Aug 18, 2020, at 12:41 PM, jeff@... wrote:
Was it common for an average Polish Jew to have a Coat of Arms?
What was the general rules as to who may have had them. #general
 
 
Jeff Bock (Los Angeles)
Researching: BOCK/BERG/POMERANTZ/WARSZAWCZYK/DAVIDOFF/GROSSMAN/MOST/BERGER/ROTM

Researching: BOCK/BERG/POMERANTZ/WARSZAWCZYK/DAVIDOFF/GROSSMAN/MOST/BERGER/ROTMAN
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JPmiaou@...
 

Barbara is absolutely right in general -- but heraldry (and nobility) in Poland is Weird:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldic_clan

Short version: in Poland, coats of arms were often granted to multiple unrelated families, who then formed a heraldic/noble clan (_herb_). All members of a Polish noble family (_szlachta_) therefore used the same heraldry.

I am not aware of any Jewish _szlachta_, but I haven't exactly made a study of the topic.

Julia
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lornemh1959@...
 

While it was not common for individual Polish Jewish families to have a coat of arms, it was very common for Polish cities to have coats of arm.  Certainly for the all of the large cities, many of the medium size towns, but even some of the smaller towns had them.  You can find these very easily from a browser search for that town.  It is possible that what you might have thought was a family coat of arms was really the city/town coat of arms that they might have been using.

Lorne Hanick, Toronto


Krzysztof Witaszek
 

Hello
In Poland since the Middle Ages many  Jews who converted to Christianity  have received nobility (and coat of arms).
There is an interesting article about it (in Polish).

http://www.rogozinscy.pl/herby-szlachty-pochodzenia-zydowskiego/

As I've  noticed,  often there was a David star in their coat of arms.
Krzysztof Witaszek