Citizenship #usa #general


bobmalakoff@...
 

My late mother came to the US in 1913 from what is now Biarosa, Belarus at the tender age of 6 months.  The only naturalization information that I can find is for my Grandmother dated 1945, but nothing for my Grandfather.  She married my father, a natural born citizen, in the 1930's.  Can I conclude that she was not a citizen?  Were the laws different then?


Dahn Cukier
 

Hello,

1) The laws change constantly.

2) The 1940 census asks if the person is a naturalized US citizen

3) She would probably be on her fathers papers, that you have
not found them may be due to them not yet being indexed. Check your
grandmother's papers for any reference to her husband's status and
check the various court houses in the area. In NYC that would be
Southern NY, Eastern NY and the courts of the different counties.
Without a date, I would not begin to search.
I would wait for a company to index and check back from time to time.
Each company indexes different sources, try as many as you can, look out for
free access and take advantage of those days.

My grandmother's papers showed her husband's date and a number
(that I do not remember which), and I found the papers in Manhattan, but
it took weeks via the internet.

I think it was Ancestry that has scans of the records, but has not yet
indexed, you can search the scans.

Dani

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 08:43:51 PM GMT+3, bobmalakoff via groups.jewishgen.org <bobmalakoff=verizon.net@...> wrote:


My late mother came to the US in 1913 from what is now Biarosa, Belarus at the tender age of 6 months.  The only naturalization information that I can find is for my Grandmother dated 1945, but nothing for my Grandfather.  She married my father, a natural born citizen, in the 1930's.  Can I conclude that she was not a citizen?  Were the laws different then?


Barbara Ellman
 

She could have been naturalized under her father's naturalization.   After age of 18 she could applied for citizenship herself.  With law changes in the 1920s, she could not get naturalization through marriage.

Did you look for a naturalization petition under your mother's name?  I would do so before assuming that she not a citizen.



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bobmalakoff@...
 

The 1930 Census appears to show my mother (age 17 at the time) and her parents as naturalized citizens.  What confuses me is a Petition for Naturalization [of a Married Person, under Sec. 310(a) or (b). 322 or 312 of the Nationality Act of 1940 (S4 Stat. 1144-1145] for my grandmother from 1941. (US District Court, Newark NJ)  Upon further reading it states that she was naturalized on May 28, 1924. I don't understand why she had to petition again.
 
Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh,PA 


Susan&David
 

Your GM seems to have  reapplied voluntarily, not remembering the past. What does the 1940 census say about her citizenship?

David Rosen
Boston, MA   

On 8/22/2020 3:02 AM, bobmalakoff via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
The 1930 Census appears to show my mother (age 17 at the time) and her parents as naturalized citizens.  What confuses me is a Petition for Naturalization [of a Married Person, under Sec. 310(a) or (b). 322 or 312 of the Nationality Act of 1940 (S4 Stat. 1144-1145] for my grandmother from 1941. (US District Court, Newark NJ)  Upon further reading it states that she was naturalized on May 28, 1924. I don't understand why she had to petition again.
 
Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh,PA 


Sherri Bobish
 


Bob,

Maybe she petitioned in 1924, but did not complete the process at that time?

Have you seen the documentation from both 1924 and 1941?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Stephen Weinstein
 

Bob,

At one time, a woman who married a citizen automatically became a citizen.  Also, a woman citizen who married a non-citizen automatically lost her citizenship.  The law has changed; citizenship is no longer automatically gained or lost through marriage.  If your mother married your father when women automatically acquired citizenship by marriage to (male) citizens, then she was a citizen.


At all times, there were records that had spelling mistakes and there were name changes.  At some times, there were records that don't survive for various reasons or can't be found easily.  You cannot conclude that someone was not a naturalized citizen merely because you have not found a record of it.

In summary,

Can I conclude that she was not a citizen?  No
Were the laws different then? Yes


Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA


bobmalakoff@...
 

My mother and her parents were listed as naturalized in the 1930 and 1940 Census. I was told that based on the Cable Act of 1922, all women naturalized after the law became effective needed to be naturalized in their own right, not through their husband's naturalization.  That explains the 1941 petition.

Thanks to everyone who has responded here or in private.

Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh, PA
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