Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Rosemary Thomas

I am trying to draw a documented connection between myself and my best match on MyHeritage, without the assistance of the match. Yes I have asked!

I would greatly appreciate any assistance the community could provide in finding KAMMER Zsigmond's marriage and or death registration records.

My maternal grandfather's youngest brother, Zsiga KAMMER, was born on 20 Oct 1890 in Senec Slovakia (then Szempcz Hungary). His parents were Adolf KAMMER and Fani KRAUSZ. The family moved to Budapest c.1900. I have been able to trace Zsigmond through school, university, army service and into private practice as a dentist in Budapest. I have found newspaper and directory references up until 1932 and then he disappears.  Unlike his parents and siblings there seem to be no newspaper notices of his marriage or death in contemporary newspapers. I have searched the Budapest civil records on FamilySearch without success.

I have found Zsigmond as a witness at what I believe to be his sister-in-law's marriage in 1924 in Budapest.  The 1937 edition of KEMPELEN Belá's Magyarországi Zsidó és Zsidó Eredetü Családok, lists Zsigmond as deceased. Kempelen named two daughters, but not Zsigmond's wife. From school records I believe the daughters were born in 1922 and 1926, so their birth records are within the 100 year privacy provisions and not online.  Zsigmond is not listed with his siblings on his mother's January 1937 newspaper death notice suggesting he probably died between 1932 and 1936. I have not been able to locate a burial record for Zsigmond.

I believe his wife remarried in Budapest X in 1938 as a Roman Catholic widow and under her maiden name, SCHWARZ Lilly Lidia. I have been able to locate a 1934 notarial deed on Hungaricana, an authorisation, that may link Zsigmond to Lilly but I have been waiting six weeks for the archive to provide a quotation to provide a copy of the record.

I believe one of the daughter's was killed in the Shoah.  I may have tracked one of Zsigmond's daughters to the USA post World War II. There are some name variations and complicated relationships. A record of marriage would make many hours of 'covid confined' searching more worth while, elevate my closest match to a known match and possibly help me to sort some of my other matches into clearer family lines.

Marianna Toth

Családneve: Kammer Családneve: Schwarz
Keresztneve: Zsigmond Keresztneve: Lidia
Apja családneve: Kammer Apja családneve: Schwarz
Apja keresztneve: Adolf Apja keresztneve: Salamon
Anyja családneve: Krausz Anyja családneve: Telner
Anyja keresztneve: Fanny Anyja keresztneve: Irma
A házasságkötés dátuma: 1923.04.09.
Helység: VI. kerület
Folyószám: 534
Filmkocka-szám: 344 Filmszám: 4429559
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Feltöltve: 2015.03.01. Azonosító: 1235719  

Judy Petersen

Hi Rosemary,
     Here is the link to the record (on familysearch) of Dr. Zsigmond KAMMER to Lidia SCHWARZ in Budapest VI on 9 Apr 1923.

     You couldn't find it in the familysearch records because it hadn't been indexed by them.  However, some digitized (but not indexed) post 1895 civil records images available on familysearch have been transcribed by MACSE, the Hungarian Society for Family History Research, and are available only on the MACSE website's database.  MACSE is fee for service, but it's very reasonable at $30/yr.  If you are doing Hungarian (present day borders) research and can afford it, I strongly suggest you join MACSE.  It has been an absolute boon to my Hungarian research and their database is updated monthly.


                          Judy Petersen

Judy Petersen

P.S.  Other KAMMER records available on MACSE include:

marriage of Adolf and Fani's daughter Ella to Gyula LOVY in Budapest VI in 1909

marriage of Adolf and Fani's son Vilmos to Janka RINTL in Budapest VI in 1915.

death of Adolf KAMMER in 1912, age 61, son of Simon KAMMER and Jozefin BORTSTIEBER; witness Bernat KAMMER

death of Adolf and Fani's daughter Terezia KAMMER in Budapest VIII in 1942.  Her husband was Arnold SPITZER.  witness was Karoly SCHWARCZ.

death of Adolf and Fani's daughter Gabriella KAMMER in Budapest V in 1945; wife of Gyula LOWY

Vilmos KAMMER's death in Budapest VII in May of 1945; married to Janka KRINBEL (either a corruption or misspelling of RINTL).

death of Beno KAMMER, son of Simon KAMMER and Jozefa BOTSTIBER in Budapest VI in 1920, married to Hedwig CZELLER.

     Unfortunately, I couldn't find Zsiga's death.  It's possible the records for the year/district haven't been transcribed yet.  I'm sure you could find records related to the other branches, so definitely worth joining MACSE!



Judy Petersen

One more:

marriage of Lidia SCHWARCZ (parents Salamon SCHWARCZ and Irma FELNER to Jeno Heim RUSSO in Budapest VI in 1919.  This is her first marriage.  She was divorced when she married Zsiga.


PS  Beno KAMMER's wife died in 1926 and their daughter Irma married Lajos DURLACHER in Budapest VI in 1916