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Paul STRANSKY Vienna to Paris #austria-czech #france


Daniela Torsh
 

I'm searching for any information about a distant cousin Paul STRANSKY. He
was born in Vienna 1905 to Else and Emil and somehow managed to leave
Austria and ended up living and working in Paris by 1946. He married a
French woman Catherine and they had two sons Patrice born 1948 and
Michel-Frederic born 1949.
Paul died in 1985 in France.
I am especially interested in the period between him leaving Vienna and
arriving in Paris. I assume he may have been in a camp somewhere?
Daniela Torsh
Sydney, Australia


David Lewin
 

At 23:21 03/09/2020, Daniela Torsh wrote:
I'm searching for any information about a distant cousin Paul STRANSKY. He
was born in Vienna 1905 to Else and Emil and somehow managed to leave
Austria and ended up living and working in Paris by 1946. He married a
French woman Catherine and they had two sons Patrice born 1948 and
Michel-Frederic born 1949.
Paul died in 1985 in France.
I am especially interested in the period between him leaving Vienna and
arriving in Paris. I assume he may have been in a camp somewhere?
Daniela Torsh
Sydney, Australia
at
https://www.wien.gv.at/advuew/internet/AdvPrSrv.asp?Layout=stvar&Type=K&st=MA&AUSSEN=Y
you have a list of all Austrian departments
I have often got answers from mag mag 8 - the Vienna state archive

David Lewin
London

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David Lewin
 

At 23:21 03/09/2020, Daniela Torsh wrote:
I'm searching for any information about a distant cousin Paul STRANSKY. He
was born in Vienna 1905 to Else and Emil and somehow managed to leave
Austria and ended up living and working in Paris by 1946. He married a
French woman Catherine and they had two sons Patrice born 1948 and
Michel-Frederic born 1949.
Paul died in 1985 in France.
I am especially interested in the period between him leaving Vienna and
arriving in Paris. I assume he may have been in a camp somewhere?
Daniela Torsh
Sydney, Australia
at
https://www.wien.gv.at/advuew/internet/AdvPrSrv.asp?Layout=stvar&Type=K&st=MA&AUSSEN=Y
you have a list of all Austrian departments
I have often got answers from mag mag 8 - the Vienna state archive

David Lewin
London


David Choukroun
 

Dear Daniela, 

a quick look at the "Journal Officiel de la République Française" under Gallica.fr is saying that there is a Naturalisation file  (date of the decree 13 october 1946)

a recent update of the online resources is now allowing to search for the decree number.  

with the decree number, you can ask for the File itself (the process is a little bit complicated).

within this file, you may have further information about the move from Vienna to Paris and most of the time after 1936, a picture will be included (not guarantee !) 



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Regards,
David Choukroun

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI


David Choukroun
 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Daniela Torsh wrote:
Paul STRANSKY
Dear Daniela, 
I have made a small mistake, the date of the decree is 8 October 1946 - not 13.

please find below the decree number 51755 x 38   (the last digits stand for 1938)


 
last step is to request to the (French) Archives Nationales the physical access to the file

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Regards,
David Choukroun

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI


Peter Lowe
 

Daniela,

Have you contacted Paul's grandson, Nicolas Frédéric Jan Stransky  ?  https://www.geni.com/people/Nicolas-Stransky/6000000010877743587

Peter Lowe


Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Daniela,
Concerning Paul, I can add these facts :
  • he was Austrian : thus he was citizen of a foe when WWII started on 1939, September 2nd
  • he was surely obliged to register and be detained in a French camp for German and Austrian citizen, I add immediately a camp with light rules (my Austrian-Galizianer GF & uncle were also there and I have pictures of them in this light detention of fall 1939 ).
  • Foreign Jews could leave these camps if they enrolled themselves in French Foreign Legion, as my GF & uncle did.
  • You can find 2 lists including Paul on this French Army web site : https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/arkotheque/client/mdh/engages_volontaires_etrangers/resus_rech.php
  • Just type "Stransky" as name, Paul and Joseph appear. I attach Paul's documents.
  • During "phoney war" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War) most of German and Austrian Legionnaires were sent in North Africa French departments (Algeria, Tunisia), so they couldn't be fighting directly against German troops.
  • You can hope to get Paul's Foreign Legion file at https://www.legion-etrangere.com/mdl/page.php?id=305&titre=Le-Bureau-des-anciens, your letter must be in French as it's our national and sole language : nobody is perfect...
  • David gave you all informations to get copy of Paul's naturalization file : it should be a reason why a 1st decree of 1938 (ref 51755 x 38) wasn't officially published (perhaps due to rising concerns with 3rd Reich, Munich's treaty, etc..) and Paul had to wait (being still alive...) 1946. Obviously his enrollment had been a good reason in his file.
  • I write it again : a French naturalization file contains about 20 to 40 documents with important informations about the incumbent's life. 
  • "White pages" are available in France, specially when you search a not so common name as Stransky :https://annuaire.118712.fr/?s=stransky
    A person called Patrice is second in list...
Khavershaft
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund, Workmen Circle) of France


Daniela Torsh
 

Thanks Bernard for this answer to my question. Is there a central database I can search to see whether Paul STRANSKY was in a French camp before 1940 when he joined the French Army?
I did find the entry for him in the Ministry list thanks. I made a mistake and didn't realise that Laval was a town not a person. Now I am clear about that. after training where did he go? How can i find that out? You suggest he was sent to Africa to fight. A lot of Australians were there and of course so were the Czechs and the Poles. They defeated Rommel at Tobruk a famous 
Allied victory.
David Choukron kindly offered to write to the Bureau Etrangeres for me so I hope I will find out more from that enquiry. He has also kindly offered to apply for the naturalisation file which i hope will tell me more.
I have been in touch with Patrice Paul's younger son as well as his older brother Michel-Frederic and even Jan,  Michel's son- all three are in Paris.

Best wishes
Daniela Torsh
Sydney