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JewishGen Discussion Group re: KAMINSKY #russia


Paul Shapiro
 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:07 PM, @vshklyarnik wrote:
EISHISHSKII, Beinus
Thanks so much for this very detailed response.  It does seem possible that Reizl could be Rose.  She did live on Henry St at one point, so very possible that she could be related to the person at 100 Henry St.  I have not spent enough time researching my Russian roots to really follow all of the other hints that you've described but I've saved this email and will follow up and try to discover more as I am able.

Thanks again,
Paul Shapiro


@vshklyarnik
 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 03:08 PM, Paul Shapiro wrote:
Isadore Kaminsky and "Lylly" Meyerson


Rose's Hebrew name is Reisel, and Rose's father's name was Israel, do I understand correctly? Israel quite often, with the Americanization of names, became Isidore ..
I'm sure this is Rose's  (# 27)  Passenger List  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JN5N-L25  (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T6-C3GF-Z?i=697&cc=1368704 )
Do you have any doubts that this recording is your grandmother's? Do you think it might be a namesake? Or did you not find this entry before?
 
It seems to me that the coincidence of the girl's surname, mother's surname and father's name is enough to confirm, you can hardly find more (unless, of course, there is no specific indication of the vessel and date of arrival in the naturalization declaration).
Is Raizl's father listed as resident (or registered)? in the city of Ostryn (Vilna province). At that time, Ostryn was part of the Vilna province (Lida district), now this city is part of the Republic of Belarus.
Reizl is only 18 years old, and it is rather strange that she travels alone .. Beins Ejshieskin and  his cousin Hana are traveling at numbers 28 and 29. Hirsch's father (Beins Eyshiskin) is also from the city of Ostryn. Perhaps they are relatives and therefore travel together.
If this is so, then it is worth paying attention to the record of the death of EISHISHSKII, Beinus, which is on the website at https://www.jewishgen.org/, as well as the fact that there is also a researcher on the site who is looking for the surname Eishiskin in exactly this spelling as in the passenger list (and this is clearly an incorrect spelling, the record of Benis's death is indexed correctly).
 
What else: it is indicated that Reizl is going to his aunt and the aunt's address is indicated. This is probably Sadie's address. Do you know where she lived at that time? If it is known, and this is the same address, then there is no doubt that this is not the namesake.
 
If you carry out a search and select the surnames KAMENSKII and by the city of Ostrona, then as a result it will be obvious what to look for in Ostryna (there are indeed many surnames indexed as KAMENSKY or KAMYONSKY).
 
If documents on Ostryn (metrics or census) of the period you need have survived (Reizl was born approximately in 1895) are stored in the Itoric archive of the city of Grodno in Belarus. You need to make a request to NIAB Grodno or find a private researcher. In this archive I looked for Jewish censuses in Brest, and it is probably better to work with a private researcher, because the search by the efforts of the archive staff can be very long and in the end it will be more expensive. Taking into account the current situation in Belarus, it is necessary to clarify whether the archive is working and whether the documents are available for private researchers.


Paul Shapiro
 

My maternal grandmother was Rose Kaminsky.  I believe that she came to the US from Russia (possibly Vilna - per Census or possibly Ostrin, per Naturalization) around 1915.  Her parents were Isadore Kaminsky and "Lylly" Meyerson (per marriage certificate).  Rose had 3 sisters who also emigrated, but I don't know when they arrived in US - Sadie, Minnie and Lottie.  Those were the names I knew them by; not sure what their birth names were.  I'm interested in connecting with anyone who is connected to these Kaminsky's or can help me get more information about their journey from Russia to the US, and their lives in Russia. 
No London connections that I know of.
Thanks

Paul Shapiro


Dexter Moseley
 

Hi Rica

Hi  Rica

I saw your message Re Kaminsky (we also have a Romanian Moldova Goldberg side -see below

I thought thought on an off chance, if you have any family connections with the following names, Nathan and Sara Raisel Kaminsky originally from Grodno Gubernia  (located within the country, now  known as Belarus), who were my great grandparents  and  had five children, namely,  my grandmother Rae/Rachel (married name Goldberg), the others were Golda (married name Weinstein/Winston), Eva (Weisman), Louis and Sam (both of whom may have changed their last name to Kaye). 
The Kaminsky family left Russia in the early 1900s and they all made their homes in London. Please let me know if this rings any bells?!

Dexter Moseley, London


Dexter Moseley
 

Hi Elizabeth

I saw your message Re Kaminsky ...I thought thought on an off chance, if you have any family connections with the following names, Nathan and Sara Raisel Kaminsky originally from Grodno Gubernia  (located within the country, now  known as Belarus), who were my great grandparents  and  had five children, namely,  my grandmother Rae/Rachel (married name Goldberg), the others were Golda (married name Weinstein/Winston), Eva (Weisman), Louis and Sam (both of whom may have changed their last name to Kaye). 
This Kaminsky family left what was then Russia in the early 1900s and they all made their homes in London, UK.. Please let me know if it rings any bells?!

Dexter Moseley
dextermoseley@...


elkamins@...
 

Hello - I am very keen to find out more information. I am researching KAMINSKY #russia and have not yet been able to find out when they came to US. This new surname possibility may open new doors for me.

Would love to explore this further.

Thank you,
Elizabeth Kaminsky
Ocean City NJ


Rica Goldberg
 

Some time ago I investigated my Kaminsky grandmothers family. I found out they came from Yanova and searched for them in JewishGen. Because of some very clever men who worked on JewishGen (I would love to meet them) who were clever enough to take certain sound out of the surnames, up came in 1874 showing the Kamenshick family with the first names of both my great grandparents plus all their children i.e my grandmothers siblings whose names I already knew.

Rica Goldberg
Manchester, England