Searching OGONTZ-OGINZ, Massachusetts, USA #usa


Scooby Doo
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

Never underestimate the value of Newspapers in helping with your "Brick Walls".
I have been searching various branches of my Welsh Jewish Family that settled in the USA in the mid 1880's
I have managed to track down the descendants of 5 siblings, but couldn't get any further with one of the siblings, who appears as Inder|Inde|Hinda in various documents.
When I asked a granddaughter of one of Inder's siblings if she knew of any of her grandmother's siblings, she said she didn't know any of them but when I mentioned the name, Hinda/Inder, she said that name did sound familiar, but that's all she could tell me.
 
This week I found an online newspaper Obituary for one of the siblings, Harry Bertell ( Born Henry Bertelesteine) (Most family members went by Bertlestein/Bertelstein), who died on 31 October 1967 in Kenneth City, Florioda.
The Obituary mentions he was originally from Massachusetts.
It also mentions a sister named Indie Ogontz of Boston as a surviving member of his family.
So I finally found her married surname.
 
I used online directories and discovered that she was married to a David Ogontz and they lived in Boston, MA.
I found a death date online for Indie|Inde: 5 November 1972, Boston, MA. (She was born on 3 September 1893, Hyde Park, MA, USA)
 
I have found online records for a David Jacob Ogontz, who was married to a Rebecca and they had a few kids. They also appeared to have lived in Massachusetts at some stage as well
I don't know whether this is the same David Ogontz who married my relative or not.
Indie/Inde could well have been a second wife, but dates and timings of certain records appear to discount this.
On David Jacob Ogontz's WWII Draft Card- he notes the person who will always know his address as Isaac OGINZ of cambridge, MA.
This strongly suggests that Ogontz & Oginz are variations of the same surname and that David & Isaac were somehow related.
 
I have found no marriage details for Indie & David , no death certificate for either of them nor have I found any references as to where they might have been buried/cremated?
I have also found no references to any kids they might have had, but I have a feeling they didn't have any kids.
 
I would be most grateful if anyone can add any further information about this couple: where they might be buried, if they had any kids or  even knowledge of any extended family who might be able to help me further.
 
Happy Chanukah
Dr Joel Levy, London UK.
 
Searching
BLOOM, DAGUT, DAGUTSKI, DAVIS, GAVENDA, GAVENDO ,GAWENDA,
GOVENDO, GOVENDIR, GALINSKY, GILINSKY, GILINSKI, HARRIS, ISAACS, KING, LYONS,
PHILLIPS, PUPISKI, SAGER, SAGORSKY, SOGERSKY, SHER, GITROV/KHITROV
 


pathetiq1@...
 

Hallo Joel, 
 
Regarding your questions about David and Indie Ogontz:
 
- According to the 1900 census Indie was born in 1891 and not 1893.
 
- According to the 1930 census she and David Ogontz got married in 1929 or early 1930.

- I believe that this was David's second marriage - his first wife was, as you write,  Rebecca.  

- in the 1940 census David was listed living  alone, but married and not divorced.
 
- I couldn't find David's death date. Considering the fact that his name appears in city didirectori until late 1960, he most probably died during the 60s or early 70s in Massachusetts. Apparently both of them are burried in Massachusetts. 
 
I hope that all these will be helpful to you in some way. 
 
--
Giannis Daropoulos 

Greece


R Jaffer
 

Many of the small, old cemeteries are now managed by the Jewish Cemetery Association of Massachusetts, JCAM, which has a searchable database. I have learned that you must search multiple variations for a name if you find no matches the first time. Below is what I have found. In this case, the photo means the grave is unmarked. I live about 20 minutes from this cemetery and will be happy to obtain photos for the other two on a warmish day.
Roberta Jaffer
Photo Last Name First Name Cemetery Street City Date of Death
Oginz Morris Roxbury Lodge Baker Street West Roxbury 04/18/1940
  Oginz Martha Anshei Libavitz C Street Woburn 04/29/1947
  Oginz Isaac Anshei Libavitz C Street Woburn 06/24/1975


Susan&David
 

The gravestone photos for Martha and for Isaac can be found JOWBR.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 12/9/2020 11:23 AM, R Jaffer wrote:
Many of the small, old cemeteries are now managed by the Jewish Cemetery Association of Massachusetts, JCAM, which has a searchable database. I have learned that you must search multiple variations for a name if you find no matches the first time. Below is what I have found. In this case, the photo means the grave is unmarked. I live about 20 minutes from this cemetery and will be happy to obtain photos for the other two on a warmish day.
Roberta Jaffer
Photo Last Name First Name Cemetery Street City Date of Death
Oginz Morris Roxbury Lodge Baker Street West Roxbury 04/18/1940
  Oginz Martha Anshei Libavitz C Street Woburn 04/29/1947
  Oginz Isaac Anshei Libavitz C Street Woburn 06/24/1975


R Jaffer
 

The David Jacob in the WWII registration is his wife as the address is the same as found in a 1941 Boston directory in which both he and Indie are together. He is a painter as is the man in the WWI registration and 1927 Boston Directory. Since his first wife is still living in NY in 1940 according to their son George's WWII registration, David either abandoned or divorced his first wife. Indie and David first appear together in a 1933 directory. Obtaining a marriage cert from Boston is a complicated procedure.

Since the burial locations are not found on any online sites, I suggest you order the death certs from: https://www.boston.gov/departments/registry/how-get-death-certificate

The spelling below is taken from the death cert index on above site. Death records should list burial locations.

David Ogontz  6/10/1960
Indie Ogontz 11/05/1972
Lasser Bertelstein 07/15/1927
Easter Bertelesteine (Blume) 06/23/1929