Help - would children on ships records be named? Or just the adults/adults travelling with them #hungary #russia #slovakia #records


mandy.molava@...
 

Would anybody know if ships records contained the children travelling with them too? 

thanks in advance
mandy molava


Diane Jacobs
 

Of course, every person is listed.
Diane Jacobs



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Subject: [JewishGen.org] Help - would children on ships records be named? Or just the adults/adults travelling with them #records #hungary #russia #slovakia

Would anybody know if ships records contained the children travelling with them too? 

thanks in advance
mandy molava
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Marian
 

The answer may depend on the date.  In United States passenger lists of the early 19th century one might find only "Mr. So-and-so, wife, and 5 children" listed.  It gets better as the century progresses, and by the late 19th c. every person should be listed by name.

Marian Smith


Janette Silverman
 

The only time I have seen manifest pages without the names of children are on the detention pages of U.S. arrival manifests where it might just have something like the name of the adult + 5 children. Sometimes for whatever reason, on the regular passenger manifest pages people traveling together in a group are on different pages of a manifest, sometimes the name you are looking for isn't the name under which a person is traveling, sometimes a child traveled with another family member on a different ship.
Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ & Salt Lake City, UT


Phil Karlin
 

I have an 1868 arrival in New York, a baby is not named. There's a column on the manifest "Baby" with a 1 in it. 

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Phil Karlin
Hartford, CT USA


Jim M
 

By the late 19th century, the children are identified individually, but a caveat:  the ages and even sexes of the children may not be correct.   

Jim Milch
Rochester, NY


Deborah Blinder
 

Jim Milch wrote:
By the late 19th century, the children are identified individually, but a caveat: the ages and even sexes of the children may not be correct.   
I would add to that caveat that even the child's name might be wrong. An example: My Uncle Jack, whose legal name on the U.S. was Jacob and whose name on his Paris birth record is Jacques, immigrated from France to New York with my grandmother in 1912, when he was about 9 months old. The ship manifest lists him as Antoine, although no one in the family, including his children, has ever heard that name.

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Deborah Blankenberg (JewishGen ID #613395)
Lodi, CA
dtblankenberg@... 
Researching BLOCH/BLOCK (Germany to New York, Colombia and Missouri), BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris), KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)


jbonline1111@...
 

By the time my great-grandfather brought his youngest children to America from what is now Belarus in the late 1900s, the children names were listed on the manifest even though they apparently did not have their own passports but were listed on his passport. 
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Lee Jaffe
 

I asked this question when I discovered my GGM and two children on a manifest, but no sign of the youngest child, my grandfather.  I wondered if my GF could have been on board, but just not entered in the manifest, perhaps because of his young age.  I was assured without the slightest doubt that everyone, without exception, was recorded.  This included children born on the voyage, those who died and stowaways.  I've since noticed entries in all those categories when reviewing manifests.

Lee Jaffe


tzipporah batami
 

Yes Mandy. Every passenger is registered and named. You included Slovakia so I think you might be referring to post Holocaust. Many ships left from DP camps to ultimate destination. Ship manifests like these can be obtained thru CJE of Yivo and thru USHMM. Otherwise checking with country of destination where these records are is another way. Good luck. Feigie Teichman.


mandy.molava@...
 

Thank you very much, sorry for delay in replying. I have a mr and mrs name spelt wrong, but sounds the same, but not their two children who were under 5, so maybe this isn't them.

Thank you again, I will keep looking and appreciate your help.

Mandy Molava
Researching MOLAVA Russia and USA
WEXLER HALASA Slovakia Hungary Bulgaria