Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general


neil8fff@...
 

I'm searching for information on a Jewish gentleman who went by the name of Black in the Manchester area in the period 1940s - 1970s. He was in the tailoring business and in the 1950s was the partner of Gertrude Parkin. Gertrude was born Gertrude Condon in Salford in 1903 and married George Henry Parkin in Selford in 1923. Gertrude and George had three children before the marriage broke down. Gertrude changed her name legally to Black in the early 1950s. There is no record of a marriage between Gertrude and Mr. Black. It is possible that Black was an Anglicised form of a Jewish name such as Bloch. It is not known when or where Mr. Black was born but it is thought he was older than Gertrude. Gertrude and Mr. Black lived in the Salford area of Manchester. Gertrude also worked in the tailoring industry which is probably how the couple met. Mr. Back was relatively wealthy and is known to have bought expensive gifts for Gertrude including a fur coat. The couple did not produce any children. Mr Black died in the early 1970s before Gertrude. I can find no record of Mr. Black's death or burial which further leads me to believe that Black was not his official name. He left Gertrude a considerable legacy. Gertrude died under the name Gertrude Black in 1987 at Prestwich. Any information on Mr Black, or of the couple, or suggestions on sources of information would be greatly appreciated. The information is requested by Pat Allsopp, a great-niece of Gertrude who now lives in Salamander Bay, New South Wales. Posted by Neil Fraser, on behalf of Pat Allsopp.  

Neil Fraser


Jill Whitehead
 

My Manchester cousin who is in her 80's has in the past told me about a well known Jewish midwife in Manchester called Dora Black who operated in about the 1920's and may have delivered family members. So there was a Jewish Black family. Whether your person was related to Dora Black would be hard to tell.  But apparently she delivered very many Jewish babies and was a legend in her own lifetime. The Manchester branch of the JGSGB would probably know. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


VINCENT JEFFERY
 

Have you tried:-

North Manchester Jewish Cemeteries Trust
email: admin@...;  tel: 0161 795 0735

regards

Suzanne Vincent, Manchester


Michael Hoffman
 

Neal, put your request on the "Roots" page of the Jewish Telegraph at  http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/manchester/ I believe that a request would be a "Free" entry on the page. The Roots page is near the bottom of the Right Hand Column. 

Michael Hoffman

Borehamwood,
HERTS UK.


rv Kaplan
 

Neil

You should try the online Manchester Jewish burials database at:


Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow

On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 at 09:26, Neil Fraser <neil8fff@...> wrote:
I'm searching for information on a Jewish gentleman who went by the name of Black in the Manchester area in the period 1940s - 1970s. He was in the tailoring business and in the 1950s was the partner of Gertrude Parkin. Gertrude was born Gertrude Condon in Salford in 1903 and married George Henry Parkin in Selford in 1923. Gertrude and George had three children before the marriage broke down. Gertrude changed her name legally to Black in the early 1950s. There is no record of a marriage between Gertrude and Mr. Black. It is possible that Black was an Anglicised form of a Jewish name such as Bloch. It is not known when or where Mr. Black was born but it is thought he was older than Gertrude. Gertrude and Mr. Black lived in the Salford area of Manchester. Gertrude also worked in the tailoring industry which is probably how the couple met. Mr. Back was relatively wealthy and is known to have bought expensive gifts for Gertrude including a fur coat. The couple did not produce any children. Mr Black died in the early 1970s before Gertrude. I can find no record of Mr. Black's death or burial which further leads me to believe that Black was not his official name. He left Gertrude a considerable legacy. Gertrude died under the name Gertrude Black in 1987 at Prestwich. Any information on Mr Black, or of the couple, or suggestions on sources of information would be greatly appreciated. The information is requested by Pat Allsopp, a great-niece of Gertrude who now lives in Salamander Bay, New South Wales. Posted by Neil Fraser, on behalf of Pat Allsopp.  

Neil Fraser


Our Jewish Family History Research
 

 
Hi Neil:
I have posted this to the group following up on Jill Whitehead's mention of Dora Black.
There is full information about who her husband and children were etc. A very interesting site.
 
 
Dora Black : British Jews in The First World War - We Were There Too
 
 
 
 
Best ,
 
 
Jacqueline GRUSZECKI
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Researching: GRUSZECKI/GRUSZECKA from Warszawa
 


Sherri Bobish
 


Neil,

I did a search in the Ancestry database: England & Wales, National Probate Calendar.
I searched for surname BLACK, passing on between 1970 -1980 in Salford.   I got two hits.  I would assume Gertrude's name would be in the probate record, as you said she received a considerable legacy.

Ralph BLACK
6 Radford St, Salford  (Note: name of street hard to read though)
died November 22, 1972
probate London July 20th
53350  (pounds)
7601106287

Isaac BLACK
39 Murray St., Salford
died August 12, 1979
Administration Manchester 11 September
10821 (pounds)

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish


Rodney Eisfelder
 

Neil,
Gertrude Parkin adopted the surname Black in January 1958, at which time she was living at 5 Rugby Street, Cheetham.

See: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41305/page/882

Perhaps someone can find out who else was living at that address in 1958...

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia


Neil Fraser <neil8fff@...>
 

Thankyou Michael. I could not find how to post a message on the Roots page.
Neil Fraser


Neil Fraser <neil8fff@...>
 

Thankyou Rodney. That is a very useful starting point.

Neil Fraser


Neil Fraser <neil8fff@...>
 

Thankyou Sherri. Ralph Black may be a possibility.
Neil Fraser