Help with GGfathers name missing on Gfathers Birth certificate #general


rodolfo miller
 

Hello Group,
Would appreciate help:
Grandfather Leopold Mandl, born Vienna, 14.05.1873; Mother Theresia Mandl; Father´s name - blank.
Where do I go next?
Thank you


murphy8@...
 

Have you looked on marriage certificates for parents, marriage records for son and siblings, or death certificates for any of the above?
Robin August
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Robert Hanna
 

Your grandfather's gravestone might have his father's name in Hebrew.

Robert Hanna
NYC


Mike Coleman
 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 12:23 PM, Robert Hanna wrote:
"Your grandfather's gravestone might have his father's name in Hebrew"

If it was indeed unknown, it would be the generic catch-all "(Grandfather) son of Abraham/Avraham".

That would not, however, exclude the possibility that Abraham/Avraham was his name.....

 

Mike Coleman  London U.K.

 


Stephen Weinstein
 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 07:02 AM, <murphy8@...> wrote:
marriage certificates for parents, marriage records for son and siblings,
A father's name is much more likely to be missing if the parents weren't married.  Looking for the parents' marriage certificate could work, but it's less likely in this case.  Also, if the mother was married to someone else, but not to the father, the marriage certificate may mislead you.
 
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Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, California, USA
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Sally Bruckheimer
 

"A father's name is much more likely to be missing if the parents weren't married. "

A father's name is much more likely to be missing if the parents weren't married CIVILLY.  Couples were often not allowed to marry civilly or it was highly taxed, so couples married religiously only. This was the common reason that children were 'illegitimate' in records, and often they were required to use their mother's surname, not their father's.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Sarah L Meyer
 

This is the area where some birth records will say child's name surname = mother's maiden name r father's surname.  Did your grandfather have siblings?  If so check their birth records.  Otherwise the only solution is DNA testing.  In this case Y testing from FTDNA may (or may not be) helpful.  Also are there any family stories?  This is really not that different from situations in the US where the father is unknown for whatever reason.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
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Sally Bruckheimer
 

r is recte 'correctly'; f is falshe 'falsely'. Usually on a birth record it says child's given name, father's surname r mother's surname or child's name, mother's surname f father's surname. In these patterns mother's surname is recte and father's surname is falshe, as the government considered the child illegitimate.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

"This is the area where some birth records will say child's name surname = mother's maiden name r father's surname."