Need help researching family with son declared dead for marrying a gentile #austria-czech #records

Richard Nohel

Hello, I am new to this group format and could not figure out how to initiate my own message to start with. I recently learned that my great-great grandparents who had 11 children, actually had a twelfth who was "declared dead" by the family for marrying a gentile. He would have been born between 1845-1860 in Bohemia (I believe the family lived in Mcely). The only thing I know is that he changed his name from Nohel to Cech. His wife may have been Cechova. I am wondering how I could possibly research this to determine if there are any living descendants as I would imagine there should be some record of a legal name change either with a government entity or a Jewish temple archive. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Richard Nohel

Barbara Zimmer

Cechova is simply the female form of the surname.  

This is not clear -- was Nohel his given name or his surname?   

Barbara Zimmer



Sherri Bobish


There are three people named NOHEL listed in this database:
Converts from Judaism: 1915-1945
Dr. Paul NOHEL (b. 1885)
Ernestine (b. 1887)
Franz (b. 1910)

And, interestingly, there are three people named CECH in this database:
Converts to Judaism: 1868-1945
Cech, Stefanie
Cech, Leopoldine Fr.
Cech, Berta Emilie Josefine

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Mike Coleman

The originator of the post identifies himself as Richard Nohel, suggesting that Nohel was indeed the original surname back when.

Mike Coleman   London U.K.

Judith Singer

Hello - I have actually located a brother of my grandfather who was "declared dead" by the family for marrying a gentile by means of DNA matching. I had a hard time convincing my second cousin that she was one-quarter Jewish, since the man's children and grandchildren had been told he was German/Swedish. DNA matches with my second cousin and her daughter, almost equally strong, were not alone sufficient to establish his true identity but when combined with occupation patterns, facial characteristics, and fragments of memory elicited in conversations determined that he was indeed my great-uncle.

So, I would test your DNA, post it on as many sites as possible, and then look for matches with your relative's last name. Try to start a conversation with any matches and be ready to provide any type of corroborating evidence available; in your case, probably the ancestor's home town would be most important.
Good luck - 

Judith Singer

researching CHARNEY and variations in Lithuania and the U.S. and SORTMAN and variations in Lithuania, England, and the U.S. 

Kraatz, Rebecca

Hello Richard,  
My Jewish Great-Great Grandfather married my Catholic Great-Great Grandmother (in Russia, now Ukraine).  In order to marry her he had to be baptized as a Catholic and his name was changed from Chaim to Joseph.  I found this information in Catholic Church Records as well as the record of their marriage and the baptisms of their children.    
I hope this may help you,
Rebecca Kraatz