Another facial identification question #photographs


EdrieAnne Broughton
 

The importance of finding the directory entries for a photographer was pinning down the dates that a photo could have been taken.  I narrowed down some infant pictures due to the dates that they were taken.  It eliminated certain children who hadn't been born yet and some who had died before the pictures could have been taken.  Unfortunately that left 1 or 2 babies for each picture and that's assuming my grandmother only had pictures that were in the family.  
 EdrieAnne Broughton, Vacaville, CA


jbonline1111@...
 

Try copying both these photos into Google Photos and ask the program to group by individual.  I was surprised recently to find that when I added a photo of my son at age 16 or so, it immediately grouped it with a photo of him at age 50, so it appears to be fairly reliable in identifying photos of the same person. 
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Bruce Drake
 

Sherri .. Sorry for the p.s., but this pairing has a better quality photo than I sent in my previous message

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD


Bruce Drake
 

Thank you, Sherri. I've always been bad at using the NYC directories, so I hadn't found Grossman, although I'm not sure that would get me far except in the unlikely event that there's some stash of records that had survived more than 100 years. As to the Zlotnick family...yes, I pretty much have all the information about them you found. I put a lot of it in the history of my Kimmel family that you can find here: https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/kovel/kimmelhistory.htm

This has all made me rethink that the photo I originally posted is Jacob Zlotnick rather than my great grandfather Itzhak David Kimmel. If I look at the two attached photos side by side, it strikes me both have very similar looking noses, and David had sons much closer in age. Taken together with the fact that every other photo in my late mother's collection is a Kimmel, that seems to me to support this guess.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD 


Sherri Bobish
 

Bruce

In 1916 NYC city directories is listed under "picture dealers" Gabriel GROSSMAN at 60 Suffolk.  In 1917 George GROSSMAN at 60 Suffolk, picture dealer.  In 1915 George Grossman is at 58 Suffolk.

Since when searching on surname GROSSMAN and address 60 Suffolk in the keyword field only finds those two listings, than Grossman was likely at another address in other years.  Your photo was likely taken circa 1916 / 1917.  Also, if the photo is indeed Jacob ZLOTNICK, he passed on in 1919. 

Also, is this the Zlotnick family that you seek?  This is from the 1910 census and they were living on The Lower East Side on Madison Street.  In 1910 there are three sons.  Sons Harry and Hyman about 14 years apart.  Lena states she has given birth to eight children and six are living.

Jacob Zlotnick 44 Head
Lena Zlotnick 41 Wife
Harry Zlotnick 18 Son
Rose Zlotnick 17 Daughter
Racael Zlotnick 13 Daughter
Samuel Zlotnick 11 Son
Esther Zlotnick 5 Daughter
Hyman Zlotnick 5 Son
Lena Doroshig 30 Boarder
In this 1919 document on Ancestry, Jacob's children are listed, including three sons, and three daughters, including Ray KIMMEL.
New York, U.S., Wills and Probate Records
Name: Jacob Zlotnick
Probate Date: 23 May 1919
Probate Place: Kings, New York, USA
Inferred Death Date: 1919
Inferred Death Place: New York, USA
Item Description: Admin Records (Without Wills)
Hope this info is helpful in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)


rroth@...
 

If the boy on the left is a mature-looking 13-year-old and the one on the right is a baby-faced 26-year-old then I'm the queen of Romania. (P. S. I am not.)
So Bruce I agree, either the fourteen-year gap is wrong or this is not them.

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Robert Roth
Kingston, NY
rroth@...


Ellen
 

I'd suggest tracking down the photography studio to see what you can find out about G. Grossman and the time period in which he was active.  

I checked Langdon's List of 19th & Early 20th Century Photographers, but the only Grossman listed there had the first name Herman.  The New York Public Library also has a Photographers' Identities Catalog, which you can read about here.  Unfortunately, for some unknown reason, I can't get the URL for the catalog itself to work.   

 

Another alternative would be to find G. Grossman in NYC in Census records.

Ellen

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Ellen Morosoff Pemrick 
Saratoga County, NY

Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)


EdrieAnne Broughton
 

They could be 14 years apart if the man on the left was 13 or 14 and the man on the far right was about 14 years older.  I'd try to find the family in a census or even in immigration papers.  The last are not as reliable as often boys ages were fudged to escape military conscription.  The sons look to be related...more than my sisters and I look alike.  
 
EdrieAnne Broughton
Vacaville, CA


Bruce Drake
 

I followed with interest the thread here seeking thoughts about any clues that could be gleaned from an old family photograph, so I thought I would ask about an instance of my own that perplexed me. My late mother left a big basket of family photos. Nearly all of them were of her Kimmel family. (She was the daughter of Barnett Kimmel and Rachel Zlotnick). But what appeared to be the oldest photo in the basket looked nothing like the other Kimmel  (for one thing, none of the men in her Kimmel photos had a beard) and I jumped to the assumption that it had to be Rachel's father, Jacob Zlotnick. As you can see, it's the kind of photo immigrants often took to send home to show how well they were doing. The fly-in-the-ointment about that guess is that Jacob had two sons, but if my records are correct, they were 14 years apart in age which the two young men in the photo obviously are not. The back of the photo does have the name of the studio (G. Grossman at 60 Suffolk Street) but unfortunately no date.

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Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel