British citizenship #unitedkingdom #poland


jbonline1111@...
 

I got a lot of help from World Jewish Relief Archives--and they even apologized for taking a mere two weeks to send me information on the entire family I inquired about, one of whom was a dear friend of mine who has passed away.  I simply explained the reason why I wanted the information (not sure this is actually required).  They did not ask for any documents from me at all.  

Data included dates of arrival in Wales, addresses. naturalization dates, names of all family members, even the husband who traveled separately and birth dates. 

This is a volunteer organization, so donations are helpful, but not required. 
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


tony allan
 

Thank you for all the help. My father was born in Warsaw but his family moved to Danzig hence why I assumed when he was sent to the UK in 1936 (with his 14 year old sister) it would have been from Danzig, The rest of the family like many thousands were taken to the Warsaw Ghetto from Danzig.
Tony Allan


Evelyn and Christopher Wilcock
 

It is worth mentioning that not all UK naturalisation files have been preserved. 
My mother in law applied to see her father's file and it turned out that it no longer existed. In the immediate post war (post WW2) period  British nationality was offered to many people who had served in the UK Forces and we were told that not all the files had  been preserved.
Evelyn Wilcock
London


Caroline Gurney <research@...>
 

Hi Odeda,

My answer was about Tony Allan's father, who he stated 'came to the UK at the age of 16 from Danzig Poland in 1936'. I therefore assumed his father was a Polish national. However, I now see that Danzig (Gdansk) in 1936 was neither in Poland nor Germany but was a Free City, under the protection of the League of Nations. The Free City was created on 15 November 1920 so, since Tony's father was 16 in 1936, he may have been born before the Free City was established. If his papers (and perhaps his native language) led to him being viewed as German by the British authorities, it's possible he could have been interned as an enemy alien. 
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Caroline Gurney


Caroline Gurney <research@...>
 

HI Daniella,

There is a blanket 100 year closure rule on all the naturalisation application files in the series HO 405. Given that the files include police reports on individuals, that's understandable: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/C15109.

As Jill Whitehead has said, you can submit a Freedom of Information request to open this file - or at least obtain certain information from it, even if it cannot be fully opened. The link to do this is on the catalogue page you shared above.

These files were supposed to be closed when the person was either naturalised or died. So it's a mystery why a file on a person who died in 1978 remained open until 1996. You will not be able to find a naturalisation certificate if he was never naturalised. In submitting your FOI request, I suggest you specifically enquire whether the application resulted in his being naturalised. 

The United Kingdom Visa and Immigration Service has records of those who were given indefinite leave to remain in the country, at any date. You can email: subjectaccessrequest@... to enquire about records they may have for E Guttmann.

Best wishes,

Caroline

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Caroline Gurney
Bristol, UK


STEVENS
 

Jill is absolutely correct.  I discovered my father's Home Office file at the National Archives in October 2006, marked "Secret - Sealed Until 2051". 

I made a Freedom of Information Act application, and got it opened 2-3 months later.  All I had to do was provide certified copies of Dad's Death Certificate, my parents' Marriage Certificate, and my Birth Certificate.

Best of luck!
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Marc Stevens
Toronto


Jill Whitehead
 

You can do a Freedom of Information request to the National Archives to open a naturalisation file that is currently closed. There is a form for this on their website. However, the onus is on you to say what you are looking for from these records e.g. names, addresses, places they were at before the UK, places they were living in in UK, occupations pre and post UK, names of family members etc. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Odeda Zlotnick
 

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 04:53 PM, Caroline Gurney wrote:
There are also records of enemy aliens who were interned: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/internees (unlikely to apply in your father's case).
Why is it not likely to apply in Daniella's father's case?


 
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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Daniella Alyagon
 

Hi Caroline,

 

Thank you very much for providing these links.

 

I have used the reading aid you shared and found the following file https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11047859

 

I see that the file is closed until 2097. Is there a way to change this and make it available earlier?

 

Given there is a naturalization application (the document above) why can I not locate a certificate for this person?

 

I have found records proving that this person died in England on 12-Feb-1978 (included in the UK death index for Q1/1978 & probate calendar of 1980)

 

Thank you,

 

Daniella Alyagon

11 Rav Ashi St, Tel Aviv 6939545, Israel

alyagon.genealogy@...

 

Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), JELEN (Minsk Mazowiecki, Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland),  SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)

 


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Daniella Alyagon

11 Rav Ashi St, Tel Aviv 6939545, Israel

alyagon.genealogy@...

 

Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), JELEN (Minsk Mazowiecki, Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland),  SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)


Caroline Gurney <research@...>
 

Unfortunately, incoming passenger lists only survive for voyages originating outside Europe / the Mediterranean: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/passengers

A small number of aliens' registration cards have survived for the period 1918-1957: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/aliens-registration-cards-1918-1957. There are also records of enemy aliens who were interned: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/internees (unlikely to apply in your father's case).

Naturalisation would have been required for a British passport. Records are available up until 1986: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/naturalisation-british-citizenship.

Caroline Gurney
Bristol, UK


tony allan
 

My father came to the UK at the age of 16 from Danzig Poland in 1936. Two questions, are there any shipping records? and did you have to become naturalized to get a British passport?

Tony Allan (Golendziner)