Searching for Riuva/Rivka/Sonia Levine or Levine #russia #belarus


Michele Lock
 

From the posts for the woman Rebecca/Rivka/Sarah/Sonia, here’s what you’ve been able to tell us about her, along with several comments/questions from me:

 

June 6, 1895 – birthdate of Rivka Levin, according to Ancestry.com – what is Ancestry’s source for this birthdate? And where does Ancestry say that this Rivka Levin was born? In the UK or in Russia? {Please note - Ancestry all too often mixes up persons, especially if they have a common surname like Levin}. This may be your Rivka Levin, or it may be an entirely different person.

 

June 6, 1894 – birthdate of Sarah/Sonia Levine McQuaid, from her 1958 gravestone in Northern Ireland.

 

Goumin, Minsk, Russia – birthplace of Sarah/Sonia Levine McQuaid, from her 1958 gravestone in Northern Ireland

 

1928 – Birth certificate of your father says that his mother’s name was Riuva Levine. Does this birth certificate give her age, or any other biographical information about her, such as town of residence at that time? Does the age match those for Rivka Levin above, or Sarah/Sonia Levine McQuaid?

 

1958  - year of death, burial in a Protestant cemetery in Omagh, North Ireland. Given name on gravestone is Sonia.

 

1958 – death certificate gives her maiden name as Sarah Rubimova Levin. What age does her death certificate give for her? Does the death certificate list her parents’ names? Place of birth?

 

Some more thoughts on her names – Sonia is often taken as the Russian form of the name Sarah, so that is not unusual to see. As for the surnames Rubimova and Levin – it is somewhat strange to see her listed with two surnames, with the first in the Russian female form of Rubinov. Possibly her original surname was Rubimov/Rubinov/Rubin, and Levin is a surname she began to use later. Or possibly the Rubimova was actually meant to be the Patronymic female form Rubimovna/Rubinovna, signaling that her father’s name was Reuben Levin.

 

She also may have had the original double given name of Sarah Rivka or Rivka Sarah. It was not uncommon for Jewish persons to be known by either individual name in different records.

 

My advice when there is conflicting information between various records – locate even more records, like census records, marriage certificates, city directories, or whatever records are available from the time in Northern Ireland and the UK. Those might help sort out the conflicts. Also, as much as feasible, get copies of the original images of these records – there could be transcription errors that occurred when the record information was extracted and put online.

 

This certainly seems like a solvable puzzle, given enough time and effort.

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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Sherri Bobish
 

AC,

Her name Rubimova may be Rubinov.
Rubimova probably being the feminized version of the name.

Try searching at The JewishGen Belarus Database:
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Belarus/

Use a soundex search on surname Rubinov, as the vowels can shift, i.e. Rabinov.
Also could have an "f" or "w" at the end instead of "v," i.e. Rabinof, Rabinow.

I see the name Rubinov in records from Minsk, but also from Gomel in Belarus.  I wonder if the town Goumin on her stone could actually be Gomel?
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1943559

Best regards,

Sherri Bobish


alanacalvert@...
 

Thanks very much for flagging this Sherri. After a fair bit of trial and error I’ve managed to find her death certificate.

Seems her legal name was Sarah Rubimova Levin (married to a McQuaid) when she died (but has Sonia on her headstone?). They weren’t married in NI it seems so need to keep hunting for a marriage certificate.
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AC Calvert


Sherri Bobish
 

AC,

Have you seen this site regarding Northern Ireland civil registration records?
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Northern-Ireland-civil-registration.html

If you haven't yet, try searching for her marriage & death certs.

Best regards,

Sherri Bobish


Michele Lock
 

The spelling 'Riuva' is likely due to a miss-hearing; it could well be Rivka or Rifka. 

Have you looked for other persons with the surname Levine living in Northern Ireland in the early 1900s, in the town (or towns) where your great grandmother lived? It is more than likely that she lived with family when she first came to your country, and probably lived with family up until the time she married. Just be aware that Levin/Levine is a common Jewish surname, and not all persons with this name are related.

The record of a Rivka Levin born on June 6, 1895 - I would get an image the original record (whatever it is), to see if there is any more information on it that might be useful to you. 

As someone else above mentioned, there is always DNA testing. If Rivka had siblings, the great grandchildren of those siblings would be third cousins to you, and some of them might show up as DNA matches, if you and they test at the same company.
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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


alanacalvert@...
 

She wasn't buried in a Jewish cemetery. She married a Protestant man before her death in 1958 and was buried with him in Omagh in Northern Ireland. I haven't been able to find any birth certificate, death certificate or marriage certificate for her. All I have is a photo of her headstone, my grandfather's birth certificate and some undated photos of her.

The headstone also says she was born in Goumin in Minsk. Someone from Belarus told me this could be because she was saying Humen (Yiddish for Ihumen - as it was known at the time) and was misunderstood by English speakers. 

I found a Rivka Levin who was born on the same day as her (June 6) in 1895 on ancestry.com but I don't know if this was her. I'm guessing her name was more likely Rivka or Rifka but the English person wrote her name as "Riuva" because she couldn't understand her accent. 
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AC Calvert


Odeda Zlotnick
 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 06:41 PM, Sherri Bobish wrote:
Her father's name could be on her tombstone, or on her marriage record or death record.
Reading Sherri's comment, I realize you haven't told us what type of cemetery she was buried in.
Tombstones in Jewish cemeteries will usuall have the father's name in the Hebrew text.
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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Dan Nussbaum
 

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Sherri Bobish
 

AC,

Do you know the name of Riuva / Sonia's father?

Her father's name could be on her tombstone, or on her marriage record or death record.

Did she naturalize?  That document may provide further info.

Check city directories for the town she lived in Ireland for the time period of 1928 (before and after.)  If she is listed than you can compare her address to that of other people named Levine.  If she lived with her parents or siblings than you may get a clue there.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

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RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)


Odeda Zlotnick
 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 04:46 PM, <alanacalvert@...> wrote:
I'm not even sure she was Jewish, but every time I've searched her name it led me to JewishGen (we had always assumed she was Protestant as she left my grandfather in a Protestant orphanage in the 1930s in Northern Ireland when he was 6 years old and he never really spoke about her).
Which other orphanages were there in Northern Ireland at the time?  Did she have any other choice?

Apparently "Goumin" is Ihumen in Yiddish?
Igumen was a district in the Minsk province.

 
--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


alanacalvert@...
 

Hello, I'm trying to find my great-grandmother who was born in Minsk in 1894 or 1895. 

I'm not even sure she was Jewish, but every time I've searched her name it led me to JewishGen (we had always assumed she was Protestant as she left my grandfather in a Protestant orphanage in the 1930s in Northern Ireland when he was 6 years old and he never really spoke about her). She also married a Protestant man in Northern Ireland and there was never any indication at all that she might have been Jewish.

On my grandfather's birth certificate in 1928 she wrote that her name was Riuva Levine (my grandfather was called Stark but we're not sure if she was ever actually married to his father). 

When she died in Omagh in Northern Ireland in 1958 the name they put on her headstone was Sonia (she apparently began calling herself Sonia after she arrived in the UK) and it said she was born in Goumin, Minsk, Russia, on June 6, 1894. Apparently "Goumin" is Ihumen in Yiddish?

Who she was or why or when she left Belarus (and why she left my grandfather in an orphanage) is all a bit of a mystery to my family so appreciate any help or tips that might point me in the right direction. 
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AC Calvert