Cejka and konig #austria-czech


Jill Whitehead
 

Boundaries changed frequently in Eastern Europe over centuries with war and the onset of different empires. The Austro Hungarian empire ruled by the Habsburgs was one such empire that  included a huge part of central and eastern Europe at one time including Northern Italy, what became Yugoslavia in the 20th century, what became Czechoslovakia in the 20th century, as well as Galicia and parts of Poland  etc.

I have been researching a Jewish family that lived in my house from the1940s to the 1990s having come to the UK in 1939 and 1940. The father of the house Leopold Lipmann Dukes b 1880 and his parents and siblings were born in Hlohovec now in Slovakia but then Galgocz in Hungary, part of the Austro Hungarian empire. This is near Bratislava, now the capital of Slovakia but once the capital of Hungary (this was new information for me). He always thought of himself as Hungarian even though as a young man he went to live in Vienna, had Viennese long term residency (he lived there 1910-1939) and his children were born in Vienna. And even when he Naturalized British, he thought of himself as Hungarian, even though the British thought he was German. 

His nephew Ladislav/Ladislaus/Laci b 1908 came to UK in 1940 via a circuitous escape route including being deported from Palestine, and joining the Free Czech Army in France and then in Britain. His nationality on his papers was given as Czechoslovak, as this had come into being at the end of WW1, and Hlohovec in Slovakia was part of Czechoslovakia for much of the 20th century. However, on his British papers his nationality was given as Hungarian, and he never naturalized.  When he died in a London asylum in 1983, his (Viennese born) cousin put his nationality down as Hungarian and not Czech or Slovak. Jews of the Austro Hungarian empire were fiercely loyal to Hungary and many took part in the 1848 uprising - which started in the town Cegled (south of Budapest) where Leopold Lipmann's wife was born in 1892. 

So Austrian as a nationality on records does not necessarily mean that much, and may need to be qualified.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Alan Cohen
 

With reference to Erika's assertion of being "Austrian" having more cachet, my grandfather's second wife Paula claimed to be Austrian and a cook at the Emperor's court. 
I have recently found her birth and first marriage certificates which show she was born at Graetz in 1901. There is a Gratz in Austria but between 1815 and 1918 Paula's birthplace of Graetz was part of Prussia, before 1815 and from 1918 until today it has been in Poland and correctly named Grodzisk Wielkopolski,  
So Paula was never Austrian but she was definitely a great cook.
The moral is never believe family lore unless there is documentary proof.
Alan Cohen


Erika Gottfried
 

Do keep in mind that it was not uncommon for people who came from Galicia to say that they were from Austria because it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire during the nineteenth and early 20th century.  Also, I think that some thought that saying they were from Austria (technically semi-accurate) had more cachet than saying they were from Galicia. So it's possible that someone claiming to have come from Austria did not actually come from there at all. 
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Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey


sacredsisters1977@...
 

Hi
My Koenig ancestry is from Austria as well. I am still not sure where. My great great great uncle Max Koenig was from Austria and he was married twice.  He came to America about 1902 with his wife and kids. His wife was misspelled many times on different census throughout the years.
Sarah Greenberg 
sacredsisters1977@... (USA-CT)


Shaun Murphy
 

Thank you all for the responses before. My Great Great grandparents is the subject.  Therese cejka,chake arrived in 1889. She married steven kennick. He was stephan konig but changed names. Family lore is they were jewish and hid it. In America no jewish records . So I need to find some sort of record of them from Austria.  Or at least I think Austria.  Names may be spelled different.  Please help.
                                 Shaun Murphy

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