Why would a teenager flee his Hassidic rabbinic roots? #galicia #poland #rabbinic
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Indy Crowley
Redmond, Washington USA
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Gottlieb
Eichenstein
Eisenstein
Allit
Olisky
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Indy Crowley
Redmond, Washington USA
indy.crowley@...
Gottlieb
Eichenstein
Eisenstein
Allit
Olisky
Also, there were also females from Kohen and Levite families who "broke the mold and left the fold," and my maternal grandmother was one. She came from a long line of Kohens and Levites who intermarried with each other throughout many generations in Lithuania. She came to the US in the early 1900s and married a non-religious Galitzianer, and was disowned by her family.
Annette Weiss
New York City, NY
Searching for:
Cohen, Katz and Segal/Siegel from Lithuania
Teiksler, Zweifler, Kessler and Schwartz from Ukraine
Wajs/Weiss, Pakula and Dziedzinsky from Poland
Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC
If his name was Philip Eisig, wouldn't his fathers name be a variant of Isaac?Eisig would certainly lead us to think of Isaac, but there's no reason to assume it's his father's name.
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Loes Buisman, Amsterdam
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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.
Do you have a paper trail or family knowledge he was a son of Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica, and his mother Sara Rifka Efrusi ?
Yaron Pedhazur
I wish to again to sincerely thank all who have replied, either directly to my topic or privately. Part of my motivation was gaining references and other insights to the lives and culture of these small Galician communities and Hassidic practices. This is so I may eventually share with my family. My main motivation was to obtain some insights that could assist in providing credibility into very incomplete and contradictory information. Philip is an enigma. There are multiple birthdates and names. There is no solid manifest match and his Government records are few and contradictory. For example, his offical birth year is 1902 as reflected on his naturalization petition. Yet he registered for the WW1 draft at would be the age of 16. This is not consistent as he would have been too young. The records state he immigrated by himself in 1913. He would have been 15. Again, too young for US immigration laws at the time. I have found a JRIPoland 1897 birth record for an Eisig Eisensten (the record content shows the surname is actually Eichenstein). The index has a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica as the father and Sara Rifke EFRUSI as the mother. The mother's surname is essentially the same as what Philip used on several official Government documents. The birth date puts his age much more consistent with traveling alone to the US and registering for the WWI draft. What I had little insight into is the history, if any, of sons of Hassic rabbinic dynasties making such a clean break from these families. This seemed unusual and cast suspecion on the connections.
--Indy Crowley
Redmond, Washington USA
indy.crowley@...
Gottlieb
Eichenstein
Eisenstein
Allit
Olisky
I found Philip/Eisig’s ship manifest list, from information in the index card for his certificate of arrival on Ancestry.com, which showed he arrived in 1913 on the SS Patricia. I looked for anyone born 1900 +/- 5 years, arriving in 1913 on the Patricia, last name starting with E, using SteveMorse.org. No wonder it was hard to find him – his name was mistakenly entered as Efruzim Eisig, with Eisig being the surname. It is him, because it says he is coming from Schodnica, Austria. He is listed as born 1896, occupation of iron dealer, going to his brother-in-law Chaim Arbent (or something similar) on 712 East 5th Str., NYC. His nearest relative back home is father Janos Eisig. Obviously ‘Janos’ is the Hungarian-ized form of a Yiddish first name, but I don’t know enough to speculate about what the first name might be. I’m sure others can offer a more educated guess about what the father’s first name likely was. The manifest also says Eisig paid for his own ticket.
Manifest: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNY6-PJD
Does the name Chaim Arbent sound familiar? Do you know of any siblings that Eisig/Philip had, who were married to a Chaim (or Hyman, or Herman, or something similar)?
Another useful record would be a photo of Philip’s gravestone, which will give you the Hebrew name of his father.
If Philip/Eisig really was only 15 years old, it wasn’t unusual for persons of that age to add a few years, to appear to the immigration officials as old enough to hold a job and support oneself. Plus, I’ve seen numerous instances of 15 year old persons traveling by themselves, usually to join an older sibling or parent already in the US. I also notice on the second page of Eisig/Philip’s WW I draft card that it says he wasn’t certain of when he was born (not unusual for that time).
--Michele Lock
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus