Added by hand "MIXTE" on birth and marriage certificate in France #france #general


gil@...
 

Shalom
I have a marriage certificate of one of my ancester. My -g-g-g-mother was jewish and my g-g-g-father was not
I added the picture where you can see that someone wrote by hand (maybe in color) the word "MIXTE"
I can see this word "MIXTE" on 2 of their children birth certificate
My first idea is that during France\Paris occupation the nazis or their collaborateurs searched in the historical "etat civil" documents names of Jews to search for them 
But as there is no date with this addition - I cannot be sure
Does someone know about this? or know how to check the reason for this addition?
Thanks in advance
Gil Yoktan   Kibbutz Yehiam  Israel


JUROVSKY,Catherine
 

Hello Gil
I am not a specialist but I do not think it has anything to do with the nazis. The naturalization files were scanned from 1927 onwards and special denaturalization committee was set up by the french administration (few people were effectively denaturalized) but the notion of going as far as 1850 seems more than adventurous to me ! Plus religion nor race was never mentioned in France !  But of course somebody could prove me wrong !!
Best regards
Catherine JUROVSKY
catherine.jurovsky@...


Sherri Bobish
 

Gil,

Are you able to look at similar documents from the same time frame in the archive which holds these?  If "mixte" is found on other pages than you may be able to see a pattern.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Mike Coleman
 

I hesitate to say this, but could it denote a "mixed" marriage, or "mixed" parentage?

Perhaps Sherri's suggestion could clarify this.


Mike Coleman   London  U.K.

 


Peter Lebensold
 

Just to point out that, in French, "mixte" may also mean "joint".  Is there a chance that the documents in question refer to, or cover, more than one person?

Peter Lebensold
Toronto

Researching: GELBFISZ/FISH/GOLDWYN (Warsaw, Los Angeles), LEBENSOLD/LIBENSCHULD/and variants (anywhere), SZAFIR/SHAFFER/ and variants (Warsaw, Brazil, New York, Texas, elsewhere in USA), KORN (Poland, Philippines, San Francisco), BORENSTEIN (Poland, USA, Canada), WERNER (Poland, Glasgow) ...
Additionally, in/from Poland: BAUMEISTER, BRUMBERG, GUTLIEZER, HOPPENGARTEN, JARECKA, KORMAN, LEVY, NUSBAUM, OPOSDOWER, REJZMAN, ZEMSZ


Eva Lawrence
 

The record is dated 1873, and refers to a marriage from 1850.  !873 was around the time of the Franco-Prussian war, when both nationalism and anti-semitism were rife in France. So the word Mixte coud refer either to their religion, or their nationalities, if either of the couple were not French born. Perhaps  it was used to give the couple's or their childrens' credentials at some point where their loyaty was in question.
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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Nicole Heymans
 

This is not a civil record proper, but a "reconstitution" of civil records destroyed by fire during the Franco-Prussian war of 1870 or maybe the "Commune de Paris" the following year.

I found this link but am not at all an expert on the subject. See article bottom p. 306 - top 307

https://education.persee.fr/doc/baip_1254-0714_1872_num_15_281_39029

The addition of "Mixte" in a very different writing suggests it was added much later - maybe either Dreyfus period or WWII.

Just a couple of suggestions.

Nicole Heymans, near Brussels, Belgium


Christine Lassiege
 

Hi 
The archives of paris (civil) were burned and destroyed  in 1871 during the commune. The wedding was in 1850. In 1873 someone asked for the reconstitution of the act and produced documents which I enclose to you. To do so, individuals must provide proof of their birth and wedding. In this case, Rachel Lyon did not have a birth certificate and asked witnesses to certify her identity. I did not see any mention of her religion. It says that she was born in Moselle.
I suppose that "mixte" means that not all evidence are official documentation. if you want to be sure, it is possible to ask the question to the archives of Paris by sending a copy of your document dac.archives@...
Christine Lassiege (France)


David Choukroun
 

Dear all,

a "mixte" or a simple "m" tag is not unusual for those records

In 1871, the treaty of Frankfurt ratified the loss of Alsace and Moselle to the new German Empire, which had been proclaimed a few months earlier in the Hall of Mirrors at the Palace of Versailles.
Alsace and Moselle remained annexed until the end of the Great War. 

My assumption is that this tag is just saying they were not considered with the same nationality at the date this tag was added (probably in 1873 or later). 

but it would be nice to have a confirmation from the Archives of Paris.  Will send a request and let you know

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Regards,
David CHOUKROUN

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI


michele.akerberg@...
 

Hello,
The handwritten mention could mean non-Jewish husband and Jewish wife (mixed couple two different religions).
Indeed, during the 1939-1945 war in France, the religion of the grandparents was, unfortunately, sought after to define the "Jewishness" of the person.
cordially
Michèle AKERBERG