Advice sought on DNA for beginners #dna


Barry Clarke
 

Per Ancestry, I'm 100% Eastern European Jewish (recently downgraded to 99%)! I know with certainty that in the 1800s and early 1900s all four of my grandparents' families came from towns in modern-day Poland and emigrated to the UK, and later some to South Africa and the US. I know nothing about their siblings, cousins or parents or if/when they may too have emigrated. For the most part, I don't have their Hebrew or Polish names. I have taken the paper trail pretty much as far as I can go. My DNA purpose is to discover family at the generation of my great-grandparents and earlier (and - as a by-product -  hopefully get to know some of their living descendants). 

I intend to dedicate the month of October to learn precisely how to work with my Ancestry DNA, which I have also uploaded to Gedmatch ... have not dared even look there yet! The advice I am seeking is what "practical" book/course I should read first to know how to go about this whole process, avoiding unnecessary study of what I don't need to learn because of the endogamy factor. I have a number of articles that deal with DNA and with endogamy, I have attended some webinars, and I am well aware there are several YouTube talks. But wthout a knowledge of the basics, most of this is difficult to follow, so I am looking for guidance as to how to simplify the process in easy learning steps taking me from the beginning to where I will be able to figure out my true matches and manage my relatives' matches. They will be getting tested but have no desire to do any of the work!! I have some additional urgency, as a couple of weeks ago, after some months of persuasion on my part, two descendants of SZKLARKIEWICZ families from Jedwabne, where my Szklarkiewicz family also came from, took DNA tests, so I can find out if/how we are related.

I will acknowledge and answer all advice or questions I receive.

Thank you,

Barry Clarke
Brit living in Florida
Researching: Szklarkiewicz/Clarke from Jedwabne/Lomza/Warsaw/Dublin/Liverpool/London, South Africa.  Barnett (Bienstock) from Poland/South Wales/Hove.  Braham/Levinson from Kalisz/London.
Newmark from Posen/Surrey/London.


Arthur Sissman
 

Hi Barry,
I suggest you review this Workshop for AncestryDNA (and others) format.  Arthur Sissman of the Jewish Genealogy SIG, gives FREE workshops.  This one on AncestryDNA teaches you how to manipulate the AncestryDNA matching website, feature by feature. See the link here to view the Workshop info and how to schedule one for yourself. https://www.facebook.com/groups/hellojewishgen/permalink/2138970179610948 

You need to send me 4 items to request a Workshop:
1. Topic?  In this case - "How to manipulate the matching section of the AncestryDNA website for maximum efficiency and useable results"
2. 3 different days you are available for a workshop (3 weeks out from the first day requested) - eg. available on a Mon, Thurs, Sunday.
3. The dates those days fall on. eg. Mon Oct 10 2022, Thurs Sept 13 2022, Sunday Oct 16 2022.
4. The Starting-ending time in ET US of the Workshop:  Mon Oct 10 2022, 1pm-4pm ET, Thurs Sept 13 2022  4pm-7pm ET; Sunday Oct 16 2022  10am-1pm ET

Then the requesting person and I will negotiate one of the above and agree on the day, date, time of the Workshop.  Now the fun begins! Remember the learning begins when the student has a need and the teacher is available.  Arthur is the master of availability and all free - the workshop, the resource guides, the time!
This request for a workshop is available to anyone reading this discussion group item.  Simply contact Arthur - see info and credentials below - to begin the process. All the workshops are 3 hrs long, have numerous Resource Guides available, and in the workshop you will be working with your data (not mine).  This Workshop is NOT a demo.  The workshop can be scheduled on almost any day, at almost any time (for your time zone convenience) - with the agreement of the scheduler and Arthur.  

If you have taken one of Arthur's workshops on any topic, please leave a comment here, if it help you in pushing your research! Was it worth you time and effort?
Good luck in your studies!
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Feige Stern
 

Hi Barry,

Gil Bardige does a terrific talk about DNA.  He's clear and very easy to follow, even for a novice.
He has a strategy that helps you focus on your best matches.
His first talk is available on Youtube as a Jewishgen talk for free.

For level 2 (which you may not need) you can look for when he gives a talk to one of the JGS groups and sign up for that.

Best of luck,

Feige Kauvar Stern
Cleveland, OH


Barry Clarke
 

Thank you. I agree. I have heard Gil's talk and will watch it again on YouTube. I just need some solid DNA beginner's stuff as a foundation. I have already responded to Arthur to request an Ancestry DNA beginner's workshop. But still, first, would like to learn the process step-by-step in a book. I am aware of some well-known authors/titles but hope someone can recommend a book that will avoid me learning steps or formulas that I will have to unlearn because of endogamy. 

Appreciate the recommendation, though.

Barry Clarke
Brit living in Florida
Researching: Szklarkiewicz/Clarke from Jedwabne/Lomza/Warsaw/Dublin/Liverpool/London, South Africa.  Barnett (Bienstock) from Poland/South Wales/Hove.  Braham/Levinson from Kalisz/London.
Newmark from Posen/Surrey/London.


Barry Clarke
 

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 07:00 AM, Arthur Sissman wrote:
"How to manipulate the matching section of the AncestryDNA website for maximum efficiency and useable results"

Arthur is the man, absolutely. The most generous person I have come across in genealogy in terms of time and practical information and advice. I have attended some of his webinars. He has even provided me help over the phone. He is a font of knowledge, in DNA too. I was aware he ran workshops, but until reading the details of his DNA workshops just now on the Facebook link, I always thought some previous knowledge was essential. I will go ahead and ask him to schedule a beginners' DNA workshop, but still would like advice on a book I can read that covers the basics in a simplified step-by-step way, as I am in danger (because of my advanced years!) of not being able to keep up in a workshop, EVEN FOR BEGINNERS! 

But thanks, Arthur, for all you do!

Barry Clarke
Brit living in Florida
Researching: Szklarkiewicz/Clarke from Jedwabne/Lomza/Warsaw/Dublin/Liverpool/London, South Africa.  Barnett (Bienstock) from Poland/South Wales/Hove.  Braham/Levinson from Kalisz/London.
Newmark from Posen/Surrey/London.


EA Wurster
 

Barry, 
I went down through the list of books at https://isogg.org/wiki/Genetic_genealogy_books and found Your DNA Guide: The Book (2020). Author is Diahan Southard. I haven't read the book, but I've been on the site where book and other materials can be found: https://www.yourdnaguide.com/your-dna-guide-the-book. There are free downloads in each area. I read one called, "WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW About DNA Testing and Family History." I think the downloads and/or book may provide you with the top-level framework you're looking for. 

Since the technolgy and techniques frequently evolve, you do find many workshops and videos, and experience difficulty "putting it all together.". And the resources may be specific to certain populations and/or DNA testing sites. So developing a generic base knowledge, like you're asking, is a great idea. I think of your request as something that a professor answers in the very first class in a life-long course about genealogy. If you can develop good direction from the first class (or book), you'll be able to categorize everything that comes later, I'm sure.
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Ed Wurster
Voorhees, NJ
Leider (Leader) | Samowitz (Samuels)


LMEIXLER@...
 

HI Barry,

I would suggest going to www.stevemorse.org.

On the left column, go to "genetics"

He has a very easy to follow and very thorough discussion of DNA, etc.

Best regards,

Lew Meixler
Beth El Genealogy Club
East Windsor, NJ 


Cathy Miller
 

I would agree with buying Your DNA Guide: The book.

I did a couple of courses with Diahan Southard (Y DNA and autosomal DNA) and the book came along with the course on Autosomal DNA. I learned a huge amount from the course (and the book) that I wish I had learned at the start of this DNA matching exploration which by the way has been very fruitful indeed. But the course is not cheap and the one you would really need at start out is the autosomal one which in any event takes 6 weeks..

She has a lot of practical tools and advice in the book - minimum segment size for example to consider a true relative, a bit on endogamy and so on. I am not sure how well it would work in isolation from the course. On the other hand the book could be a good back up to the course offered by Arthur - and I will be watching this space to see if he offers a free beginners course as I still consider myself a beginner
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Cathy Miller, New Zealand
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Pieter Hoekstra
 

Apologies up front for OT digression but this seems a good place to pop my head up with so many knowledgable people engaged. I have been sitting on the fence for a long time re DNA testing but realise this is my only path for answers. I want to find the 1917 unnamed father of a close (deceased) female relative from UK. What tests should I pay for?

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Pieter Hoekstra 
Moss / Moses, De Costa - London and Brighton
Barnett, Da Costa, Lazarus, Joseph, Judah, Solomon - London


Cathy Miller
 

Find the oldest known descendant of the Individual you are searching and do their DNA test on Ancestry. Once you have that result download the raw DNA from Ancestry and upload it to FTDNA, MyHeritage and Gedmatch. Ancestry does not allow uploads from other companies, so if you test at any of the other companies you cannot upload to Ancestry to compare matches at that site. Uploading Ancestry results to these other companies allows you to find shared matches on any of those platforms, not just on Ancestry.

If you are absolutely sure you have a male descendant (son of a son of the 1917 unnamed father) then do the Y DNA test. It has to be done on FTDNA. In this case it might be cheaper and more convenient to do the Y and the autosomal on FTDNA, but you would then be missing the matches on Ancestry. Unless you have 2 descendants you can test - one for the Y+ autosomal and one for the autosomal alone. the more DNA you have from known descendants the more information you have to work with.

I have done this successfully using my uncles Y (son of a son of a son) and others peoples autosomal DNA and recently we found the biological father of someone who was a DNA match to our family, and has been searching for his father all his life. To everyones delight and joy.
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Cathy Miller, New Zealand
cathymillernz@...


Barry Clarke
 

This message is to everyone who has answered and offered me advice here and many more privately directly to my email address. I have replied to every one of you and want again to express my thanks. I make this message public to say that those who made recommendations, the name that came up most frequently for a book or a course was Diahan Southard, and for a talk to listen to on YouTube re DNA for Jews Gil Bardige was mentioned the most, and several people confirmed what I knew that Arthur Sissman runs amazingly helpful webinars and workshops free of charge and, at my request, very soon he will be offering Ancestry DNA for beginners. Watch this space.

Barry Clarke
a Brit living in Sarasota.


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Arthur Sissman
 

HI,

Barry Clarke has asked for and I have created a AncestryDNA10 Matching Workshop - Wednesday, Oct 19 from 1:30-4:30 pm EDT Zoom RSVP requested. 

The link in this JewishGen Discussion group of a description of the Workshop and how to register is here:  

Thanks Barry Clarke!
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Regards,

Arthur Sissman

Jewish Genealogy SIG of Collier/Lee Co FL

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