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Aide généalogie juive polonaise / Does a name suffice to prove Jewish ancestry?) #poland #france #names

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Hello,
I would like to ask your help to enlighten me on certain points.
I am French of Polish origin and my grandfather who left recently left me without answers to certain questions.
My whole family arrived in France at the end of the 1930s to work on farms or in coal mines. They came from Chodziez and surroundings
which was in Greater Poland not far from Poznan under German domination.
For my part my grandfather Jerzy born in 1929 was Catholic but deep inside me and for several years I have always had a doubt about the origins of my family .

Let me explain :
I have always had a particular affinity with Jewish culture (music, history, books ...) and the rather strong intuition of having Jewish origins.
So, during confinement with the help of my brother, I researched my family, which revealed some surprises to me:
* the surnames that make up my tree (Koniec / Prusak / Filut / Drich) are listed on many Ashkenazi genealogy sites and present in significant numbers on the yad vashem site which lists the deported Jews of the 2nd World War. of my ancestors also have Hebrew origins (Joseph / Jacob / Matthias / Magdalena ..)
* The region of my family (Greater Poland) was a region with a large concentration of Jewish communities with the south of Poland and the cities and villages of origin of my ancestors included shtetl and synagogues.
* another argument may be invalid: some of my ancestors went to the United States in the 19th century like many Jews at the time.
These clues therefore troubled me especially since my ancestors or a good part of them were registered as catholic and some married in the church according to the site poznan project. Beyond 1800 and even before I do not find my trace in the registers of some which becomes complicated.

So my questions are:
* Does a name suffice to prove a Jewish ancestry?
* Have you ever heard of the names mentioned above?
* Were the Jews of Prussia registered under Catholic registers? Or did they abandon their religion before the 2nd war?
* or continue my research in early / mid 1850 since I am stagnating at this level?
How to find the trace of a possible Judaism in my ancestors?
I therefore appeal to you and I will be grateful if you could help me!
"Where shall I continue my research... ?
Thank you !!!                              <gkoniec@...>
             

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Bonjour,  
Je me permets de solliciter votre aide pour m’éclairer sur certains points. 
Je suis Français d’origine Polonaise et mon grand père qui est parti récemment m’a laissé sans 
réponses par rapport à certaines questions. 
Toute ma famille est arrivée à la fin des années 30 en France pour travailler dans des fermes ou mines de charbon .
Ils venaient de Chodziez et alentours qui se trouvait en Grande Pologne non loin de Poznan sous domination Allemande.
Pour ma part mon grand père Jerzy né en 1929 était catholique mais au fond de moi et depuis plusieurs années j’ai toujours eu un doute sur les origines de ma famille.. 
Je m’explique :
J’ai toujours eu une affinité particulière avec la culture juive ( musique, histoire, livres..)  et l' intuition plutôt forte d’avoir des origines juives. 
J’ai donc, pendant le confinement avec l’aide de mon frère fait des recherches sur ma famille ce qui m’a dévoilé quelques surprises :
*les noms de famille qui composent mon arbre (Koniec/Prusak/Filut/Drich) sont répertoriés sur de nombreux sites de généalogie ashkénaze et présents en nombre conséquent sur le site yad vashem qui repertorie les juifs déportés de la 2e guerre mondiale .Les prénoms de mes aïeux ont aussi d'origine hébraïque (Joseph/jacob/Matthias/Magdalena ..) 
*La région de ma famille (Grande Pologne)  était une région comptant une grande concentration de communautés juives avec le sud de la Pologne et les villes et villages de provenance de mes ancêtres comptait des shtetl et synagogues. 
*autre argument peut être invalide : une partie de mes ancêtres est partie aux États-Unis au 19eme siècle comme beaucoup de juifs à l’époque .
Ces indices m’ont donc troublé d’autant plus que mes ancêtres ou une bonne partie étaient enregistrés en tant que catholique et certains mariés à l’église d’après le site poznan project. Au delà de 1800 et même avant je ne trouve pas ma trace dans les registres des certains ce qui devient compliqué ..
Mes questions sont donc les suivantes :
*Un nom suffitfit il a prouver une ascendance juive ? 
*Avez-vous déjà eu connaissance des noms cités plus haut ? 
*Les juifs de Prusse étaient ils enregistrés sous des registres catholiques ? Ou ont-ils délaissé leur religion et cela avant la 2nde guerre ?
* ou poursuivre  mes recherches de début /milieu 1850 étant donné que je stagne à ce niveau ?
Comment trouver la trace d’un éventuel judaïsme chez mes aïeux ? 
Je fais donc appel à vous et je vous serai reconnaissant si vous pouviez m'aider ! 
Je n’exclue pas faire fausse route 🤔🤣mais mon intuition me dit de poursuivre mes recherches ! 
Merci !!!    <gkoniec@...>
 

curtstamps@...
 

Good morning.

My name is Rollie Stamps, email curtstamps@...

You and I are in the same situation. I am an American, raised as a Christian, but also felt an affinity towards the Jewish people. Neither side of my family knew anything about our ancestors past about 4 generations ago. I worked with several DNA companies with a varied degree of success as the first failed to report my last generation and the second did. My ancestors were Jews and I didn't know anything about them. I have since worked hard to make a family tree for both sides of my family and have been very successful with the information. Once I started getting names, I bounced them off of the database for JewishGen.org to verify if their names were on record. I was very impressed with the findings. A word of caution, however, when using databases, I have noticed some minor errors, so always try to use more than one data base and show credit for the information you get. That will allow you to find the information in the future and also prove your relationship to them when needed. Also, get your DNA tested. That way your findings can't be argued. Autosomal DNA testing gives you the ethnic groups of both sides of your family, but only going back about 4 to 6 generations, so about 150 years give or take. Women can have their female lineage tested using mtDNA. This is only for women and tests the womens side only (Daughter-Mother, etc.). For men, the test is yDNA. It tests only the males side (Son-Father, etc.).
I was thinking about your statement "does a name prove jewish ancestry"? I believe it can, if you also use available scientific testing with your trees. In addition, verify the names are not sound a-likes. Not all people with the same last name are related. For that matter, not all names that people think are Jewish sounding are in fact from a Jewish family. The fact that you can connect yourself to another person through lineage with DNA and/or use of one or more databases or printed media is likely sufficient, depending on the sources you use. What you might be asking is whether or not this connection makes you a "Jew". If that is your question, than no it does not. I have spoken to a few rabbis and understand this better than I did when I started looking. I am not qualified to go deeper into that explanation other than this, if you are like me, a Christian, than we do not worship through Judaism and are not considered to be Jews. I believe the term for us is "seed of Israel", if you indeed are of Jewish lineage. Personally, I take pride in my Jewish heritage and support Israel. My parents raised me this way.
You asked about Catholic registers. I am not Catholic, but have been able to connect the dots on our history and a possible explanation why our ancestors stopped worshiping as Jews. Persecution by the Catholic church, called "pogroms". I have found several members of my tree were listed as Catholic clergy with an assortment of positions, but none the less counted as Jews. One was even Sainted in Belgium as a Beer maker. As Europe became less friendly to the Jewish population, it appears more immigrated here to the United States. I think it is amazing the lengths that people will go to in order to save their lives and that of their families. In the cases of my Catholic relations, I can only presume they were either hiding deep or their family had stopped worshiping through Judaism so long ago that they didn't realize their own heritage. I personally believe it was both. 
If you have not had your DNA tested, try MyHeritage.com for your autosomal test.I do not work for them, but they were the second DNA company that tested me. They have their own data and are based in Israel. In addition, they show their test results down to 1% of ethnic rendering unlike the others. If you still don't find anything but don't want to give up, don't. You might find it after all. I hope this helped and let me know if you need any clarification. 

Rollie Stamps