Bayside cemetery Queens, NY #usa


Nana Redell
 

I recently found out that my grandfather Max LEFKOWITZ who was living in Newark, NJ was buried in the Bayside Cemetery, in Queens, NY. The cemetery has had problems with upkeep and vandalism and is profiled online.
I attempted to contact them by phone and there was no connection.
I was wondering if anyone on this list has had experience with this specific cemetery and could give me some tips as how to begin.
My ultimate goal is to have a photograph of the headstone. Note Max is the only one in the family to rest at Bayside.
I just want a plan of action.
Nana(nayna) Redell


feinber2@...
 

Many years ago my brother and I went there to look for our maternal ggp’s graves. It was open, but there no help available then, either. The Cemetery is fairly large, but not as big as many of the others in NY. It took us about an hour to find it. 

As an aside, our plan was to look from back to front, each of us having our own territories. Of course, with our luck it was in the front. When we told our mother who was about 75 then, she said “you know, I remember going there as a kid. It was right by the front fence.” 

Good luck. See if some elderly relative can remember anything. If not, prepare to do some work. It feels like striking gold or oil when you find it.

Arthur Feinberg
Kalamazoo MI


A. E. Jordan
 




-----Original Message-----
From: Nana Redell <nane7012@...>


I recently found out that my grandfather Max LEFKOWITZ who was living in Newark, NJ was buried in the Bayside Cemetery, in Queens, NY.
Nana(nayna) Redell




I am not sure what the current status of Bayside is. There was an effort (the last of many) maybe two years ago to clean it up. But unless they have done ongoing maintenance it would be useless.

The office was ransacked years ago and most of the onsite records lost ... I was actually there before it happened and even then the records were spotty.

I have not been to the cemetery in years and I am not sure what it hours are for visiting as I think they are limited. Also I am not sure it is the best of areas so I wold not go alone. My great grandfather is among the missing at Bayside which is a great personal frustration.

As for finding a grave there are several partial databases of Bayside burials. Check the JOWBR record here at JewishGen to start. Steve Lasky had some records but I don't know what his status is and he had the overall map of the cemetery http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-maps-ny-nj.htm. You could try emailing him to see if he has the person in his records but make sure you give him the date of burial.

Like most cemeteries it is divided into mostly burial societies. You need to find the name of the society and its gate number.

The Jewish Theological Institute has the burial books and you can try emailing them and ask them to give you the data. My experiences with them were difficult and uncooperative.

Also try newspapers and see if you can find a notice for the person's burial because it might give the name of the society.

Without the society name and the gate number it is a nearly impossible search because of the size of the cemetery especially since you said you are looking for a singe grave.

There are two cemeteries bordering Bayside that are separate but in poor condition as well. A lot of people got confused with which of the three cemeteries a person was being buried in so it is not uncommon to find a record saying Bayside but the person is in one of the two adjoining cemeteries.

Wish there was more encouraging news to offer.

Allan Jordan
New York



Sandy Aaronson
 

I found my gm was buried in Acacia Cemetery from her Death Certificate.  There was an office in NYC that I had previously called to inquire about my gm that handled a number of Cemeteries to include Bayside & Acacia.  In 2014, I was in NY to meet some previously unknown cousins.  One took me to Acacia Cemetery right next to Bayside Cemetery.  We roamed around Bayside, as there wasn't a visible division, trying to find the right place in Acacia & called the office.  There was a nice Gentleman in the area who met us & took us to the right place.  Googling Acacia there is a telephone number...Bayside says owner is Congregation Shaare Zedek.  Both were not kept up very well 7 years ago.
--
Sandy Aaronson
El Paso, Texas

COHEN, LEIBOWITZ, WEISS, SHAIKOFSKY/VOIKHANSKY (Suwalki/Lomza area)
RUBENSTEIN, ARONZUN, KOLICHMAN, GONIKBERG, GREENBERG, LERNER (SW Ukraine/Moldova/Romania)


Robert Avner
 

Hi Nana
I haven’t been to Bayside Cemetery since before the pandemic but it hasn’t been the mess you read about on the internet for quite a few years. A number of years ago after a lawsuit the synagogue that owned it had to sell it’s building to raise funds to restore the cemetery. It is one of the three old adjacent Ozone Park Jewish cemeteries with very few current burials & as such would be better if you went with someone as it can be desolate. There is no office on the premises although there is a caretaker & a bathroom. The contact person is Jessie & her phone # 212-874-7005. As of 2019 the hours of the cemetery were just Sunday 9am to 3pm & Wed. 8am to 2pm.
Robert Avner


David Lewin
 

I have transcribed the burial records to a spreadsheet after  Florence Marmor z"l died,  Florence used me as a back-up for years The data is still waiting for a permanent home.  There are 32,300 entries

David Lewin
London



At 14:31 04/05/2021, A. E. Jordan via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:



-----Original Message-----
From: Nana Redell <nane7012@...>


I recently found out that my grandfather Max LEFKOWITZ who was living in Newark, NJ was buried in the Bayside Cemetery, in Queens, NY.
Nana(nayna) Redell




I am not sure what the current status of Bayside is. There was an effort (the last of many) maybe two years ago to clean it up. But unless they have done ongoing maintenance it would be useless.

The office was ransacked years ago and most of the onsite records lost ... I was actually there before it happened and even then the records were spotty.

I have not been to the cemetery in years and I am not sure what it hours are for visiting as I think they are limited. Also I am not sure it is the best of areas so I wold not go alone. My great grandfather is among the missing at Bayside which is a great personal frustration.

As for finding a grave there are several partial databases of Bayside burials. Check the JOWBR record here at JewishGen to start. Steve Lasky had some records but I don't know what his status is and he had the overall map of the cemetery http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-maps-ny-nj.htm. You could try emailing him to see if he has the person in his records but make sure you give him the date of burial.

Like most cemeteries it is divided into mostly burial societies. You need to find the name of the society and its gate number.

The Jewish Theological Institute has the burial books and you can try emailing them and ask them to give you the data. My experiences with them were difficult and uncooperative.

Also try newspapers and see if you can find a notice for the person's burial because it might give the name of the society.

Without the society name and the gate number it is a nearly impossible search because of the size of the cemetery especially since you said you are looking for a singe grave.

There are two cemeteries bordering Bayside that are separate but in poor condition as well. A lot of people got confused with which of the three cemeteries a person was being buried in so it is not uncommon to find a record saying Bayside but the person is in one of the two adjoining cemeteries.

Wish there was more encouraging news to offer.

Allan Jordan
New York



Diane Jacobs
 

If theyhave not been out on JOWBR they should be.
Diane Jacobs


On May 4, 2021, at 12:14 PM, David Lewin <david@...> wrote:

 I have transcribed the burial records to a spreadsheet after  Florence Marmor z"l died,  Florence used me as a back-up for years The data is still waiting for a permanent home.  There are 32,300 entries

David Lewin
London



At 14:31 04/05/2021, A. E. Jordan via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:



-----Original Message-----
From: Nana Redell <nane7012@...>


I recently found out that my grandfather Max LEFKOWITZ who was living in Newark, NJ was buried in the Bayside Cemetery, in Queens, NY.
Nana(nayna) Redell




I am not sure what the current status of Bayside is. There was an effort (the last of many) maybe two years ago to clean it up. But unless they have done ongoing maintenance it would be useless.

The office was ransacked years ago and most of the onsite records lost ... I was actually there before it happened and even then the records were spotty.

I have not been to the cemetery in years and I am not sure what it hours are for visiting as I think they are limited. Also I am not sure it is the best of areas so I wold not go alone. My great grandfather is among the missing at Bayside which is a great personal frustration.

As for finding a grave there are several partial databases of Bayside burials. Check the JOWBR record here at JewishGen to start. Steve Lasky had some records but I don't know what his status is and he had the overall map of the cemetery http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-maps-ny-nj.htm. You could try emailing him to see if he has the person in his records but make sure you give him the date of burial.

Like most cemeteries it is divided into mostly burial societies. You need to find the name of the society and its gate number.

The Jewish Theological Institute has the burial books and you can try emailing them and ask them to give you the data. My experiences with them were difficult and uncooperative.

Also try newspapers and see if you can find a notice for the person's burial because it might give the name of the society.

Without the society name and the gate number it is a nearly impossible search because of the size of the cemetery especially since you said you are looking for a singe grave.

There are two cemeteries bordering Bayside that are separate but in poor condition as well. A lot of people got confused with which of the three cemeteries a person was being buried in so it is not uncommon to find a record saying Bayside but the person is in one of the two adjoining cemeteries.

Wish there was more encouraging news to offer.

Allan Jordan
New York



--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


A. E. Jordan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lewin <david@...>
I have transcribed the burial records to a spreadsheet after  Florence Marmor z"l died,  Florence used me as a back-up for years The data is still waiting for a permanent home.  There are 32,300 entries

I would think JewishGen should be / would be happy to host that list if you offered it.

Does it have location information by society name and gate numbers?

Allan Jordan



Peter Cohen
 

About 3 years ago, I was able to get some Acacia burial location information from the person or people who are the staff for Bayside, Acacia & Mokom Sholom.  The person I spoke to was very nice and very helpful. The phone number (at that time) was 516-295-4350.
--
Peter Cohen
California


Nana Redell
 

Thank you for all the replies. This was my very first post on the mailing list. I did find my Max in the list with the age he died, the day he was buried and the synagogue  he was a member of. It was Bnai Jacob which I believe is in Queens. I have to tell you that I have not read up on how the sponsoring society  determines the area of burial I don’t know if there was a headstone as he was the first on in the family to die and I have no idea what finances were. I can see it is pointless to try to send someone searching without this key info. 
Do you think that the synagogue  would have records? Before I received the death cert I had a librarian in Newark  search obits, death index and so forth  for Max and she found nothing. He did die in Beth Israel Hospital in Newark and was transported to the burial site in NY.
Can anyone verify this next statement? My mother told me that the reason Max was buried in what she referred to as Brooklyn was that religious rules or customs mandated he be buried across water from where the death took place. 
Just to be sure I called again and the phone has been disconnected.
This may be a dead end for a while. If anyone has suggestions or more ideas please let me know. Getting the death cert and at least having  a burial place was a big step forward for me. 
Sincerely,
Nana REDELL


On May 4, 2021, at 10:36 AM, A. E. Jordan <aejordan@...> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lewin <david@...>
I have transcribed the burial records to a spreadsheet after  Florence Marmor z"l died,  Florence used me as a back-up for years The data is still waiting for a permanent home.  There are 32,300 entries
 
I would think JewishGen should be / would be happy to host that list if you offered it.
 
Does it have location information by society name and gate numbers?
 
Allan Jordan
 
 


Ira Leviton
 

The current hours for Bayside are Sundays from 9AM to 3PM and maybe Wednesdays from 8AM to 2PM.  It used to be possible to go from Acacia, which is open every day except Saturday to Bayside, but about two years ago a fence was built around Bayside, and that is no longer the case (unless you're very athletic and can climb the fence).  Although Bayside is in considerably better condition than it was five plus years ago, it's not in good condition overall; many areas are overgrown.  There are around 35,00 burials there, so you need to know which section your relative is in.  Even then, you will have to walk through an entire section, looking at each stone - with luck, that might take a half hour to an hour, but it's not possible to walk through the entire cemetery looking for a single marker.  (And many old markers are toppled or unreadable.)

The map on the museum of family history website comes in two pieces, at http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/Bayside%20Cemetery%20map,%20top%20.jpg and http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/Bayside%20Cemetery%20map,%20bottom.jpg.  You should print it and take a copy with you when you visit.  There's a security guard there, but he has no information to help anybody who is at the cemetery.

Ira Leviton

New York, N.Y.


Molly Staub
 

Hi Sandy, I saw your post and noticed you're researching a Lerner family. I know it's a very common name, but I have been given material saying that my maternal gg gf Rabbi Yechiel Berenson from Ukraine had married a woman named Lerner, descended from Rabbi Menachem Mendel Lerner of an 8-generation line of rabbis in Kitaygorod, Ukraine. My DNA  matches  several proven descendants by that name. Does this make any sense to you? My Ancestry Public Tree is "ArostStaub_2019" and my email staubmolly@....  
Thanks, Molly

Molly Arost Staub
Boca Raton, FL
Researching in Ukraine:
BERENSON, GROFFMAN, MENDELSON


David Lewin
 

I will check with Nolan Altman

David Lewin


At 17:50 04/05/2021, Diane Jacobs wrote:
If theyhave not been out on JOWBR they should be.
Diane Jacobs


On May 4, 2021, at 12:14 PM, David Lewin <david@...> wrote:

 I have transcribed the burial records to a spreadsheet after  Florence Marmor z"l died,  Florence used me as a back-up for years The data is still waiting for a permanent home.  There are 32,300 entries

David Lewin
London



At 14:31 04/05/2021, A. E. Jordan via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:



-----Original Message-----
From: Nana Redell <nane7012@...>


I recently found out that my grandfather Max LEFKOWITZ who was living in Newark, NJ was buried in the Bayside Cemetery, in Queens, NY.
Nana(nayna) Redell

I am not sure what the current status of Bayside is. There was an effort (the last of many) maybe two years ago to clean it up. But unless they have done ongoing maintenance it would be useless.

The office was ransacked years ago and most of the onsite records lost ... I was actually there before it happened and even then the records were spotty.

I have not been to the cemetery in years and I am not sure what it hours are for visiting as I think they are limited. Also I am not sure it is the best of areas so I wold not go alone. My great grandfather is among the missing at Bayside which is a great personal frustration.

As for finding a grave there are several partial databases of Bayside burials. Check the JOWBR record here at JewishGen to start. Steve Lasky had some records but I don't know what his status is and he had the overall map of the cemetery http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-maps-ny-nj.htm. You could try emailing him to see if he has the person in his records but make sure you give him the date of burial.

Like most cemeteries it is divided into mostly burial societies. You need to find the name of the society and its gate number.

The Jewish Theological Institute has the burial books and you can try emailing them and ask them to give you the data. My experiences with them were difficult and uncooperative.

Also try newspapers and see if you can find a notice for the person's burial because it might give the name of the society.

Without the society name and the gate number it is a nearly impossible search because of the size of the cemetery especially since you said you are looking for a singe grave.

There are two cemeteries bordering Bayside that are separate but in poor condition as well. A lot of people got confused with which of the three cemeteries a person was being buried in so it is not uncommon to find a record saying Bayside but the person is in one of the two adjoining cemeteries.

Wish there was more encouraging news to offer.

Allan Jordan
New York


--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


David Lewin
 

At 18:36 04/05/2021, A. E. Jordan wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lewin <david@...>
I have transcribed the burial records to a spreadsheet after  Florence Marmor z"l died,  Florence used me as a back-up for years The data is still waiting for a permanent home.  There are 32,300 entries


I would think JewishGen should be / would be happy to host that list if you offered it.

Does it have location information by society name and gate numbers?

Allan Jordan


Yes - Death certificates, gates, societies and comments are recorded for very many of the records.
I have never tested the information on Jewishgen.  The problem there is - if the material is available - that only a single record is shown at a tine which to my mind rather looses its completeness.

David Lewin


Richard Gilbert
 

You said in your post yesterday that 
 
"My mother told me that the reason Max was buried in what she referred to as Brooklyn was that religious rules or customs mandated he be buried across water from where the death took place.
 
I think what your mother may have been referring to is the Jewish practice of locating cemeteries on the outskirts of the communities where they live.  This is because whilst the rituals surrounding death are very important in Judaism, life and the enjoyment of life is even more so.  
 
This comes from Deuteronomy (Devarim) chapter 30 verse 19 where Moses tells the Jewish people:
 
"I have put before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life …" 
 
As a consequence of which, Jews have historically not sought to have man’s immortality staring at them as they go about their daily lives.  Life if you like, is for the living.  As a consequence it is rare to find a Jewish cemetery within the confines of towns and cities at least when they are first opened, unlike grave yards attached to parish churches.
 
In London, where I am from, most of the cemeteries currently in use are to be found around the M25 or just within the green belt just outside Greater London.  
 
Bushey, the town I live in, was in the countryside just on the outskirts of Greater London.  When I was a child the town was only known in Jewish circles for its cemetery which opened in 1946. But 50 years ago a community was established from the handful of families who had moved there because house prices were cheaper.  Now, it is the second largest community in the UK. The cemetery has grown but remains on the outskirts of our community. Bushey is built along the lines of several hills.  The cemetery is at the bottom of one those hills.  For this reason, when I am asked about the Bushey Jewish community I refer to it as being “alive & kicking at the top of the hill”.
 
Of course, there are always exceptions. The Jewish cemetery in Prague is next to the  Altneuschul and in Ramsgate, Kent, The Montefiore Synagogue has the mausoleums of Sir Moses and Lady Judith Montefiore right next door.
 
Good luck with your research.
 
Richard Gilbert
Bushey Heath, Hertfordshire, UK